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| posted on October 28th, 2009 at 08:34 PM |
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sTARTER noISE
Sometimes when i turn my key to start the car it just makes a whinny noise, does this mean my soelnoid is shot. it seems to do it more and more now,
there isnt anything in common when it happens, just everynow and again.
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Hi
the whining noise would be the starter motor spinning but NOT spinning OUT to engage the flywheel ring gear..
could be something simple like the bush in the bell housing is badly worn...
You just take the starter motor off
after disconnecting battery and the leads on the starter motor..
knock the old bush out and a new one in..
this is probably the most inexpensive fix on a beetle... lol
there are spiral splines on the starter motor shaft
and when it spins, the shaft spins OUT and the gear engages the flywheel ring gear...
Could also be the electric brushes in the starter motor worn down..
but sounds like the solenoid IS working...
its a starter motor problem...
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 09:07 AM |
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Okay. How do i remove the starter motor
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 12:12 PM |
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my bros car had the same issue. a bit of internal cleaning and regreasing did the trick. Many years of gunking up. Althought it could be a few
reasons, that would be the most common from my experiences...
If you have a look at your starter motor, its mounted via one large bolt (engine mount bolt) and a large nut. You can take the engine bolt out without
any worries about the motor falling lol, as long as the other 3 are still in there. Then take off the bolt and its free. Just pull it straight out
towards the front of the car.
Disconnect the assortment of wires from the back of the starter... some will be connected via a small nut... so another socket and your set. Take note
where they go, or better yet, a photo before you disconnect it all.
then it should be free and out. 
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 02:59 PM |
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Do i have to remove anything else, obviously the drivers rear wheel, and disconect the battery. Dads got a new bushing so how do i get o0ld one off
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 03:01 PM |
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posted by 71-BEETLE-SEDAN
Okay. How do i remove the starter motor
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Hi Chris
has given You the info..
should be one small wire
and the one large cable that goes to the battery..
don't FORGET to undo one terminal on the battery and take it OFF the battery... VERY IMPORTANT..
now once You have unbolted it.. and when You pull it out towards the front of the car.. net very far... lol
You Will have one Very HEAVY starter motor in Your hands..
so don't drop it on Yourself...
and Don't take it off with Your head under it..
its going to want to fall to the ground...
I don't mean to scare you, but if You aren't ready for a heavy starter motor.....
Now you know what to expect.. it will be easy....
it may be that the spiral throw out shaft isn't lubricated...
Buy a tub of lithium based moly grease and grease the spiral part so it slides in and out..
You can buy the Moly grease at BIG W or any auto shop...
its the only grease VW recommend... and its the best you can buy...
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 03:15 PM |
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OKay will not be under it
Dad has got a bushing and set of brushes from classic. whe n you say ubolt one terminl on the battery do you mean just diconnect it,
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 03:28 PM |
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yep,i used a 1/2 bsw tap to pull the last bush i changed in my T3 caravelle,tapped a thread in it enough to be able to pull the bush out
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 03:37 PM |
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yep,i used a 1/2 bsw tap to pull the last bush i changed in my T3 caravelle,tapped a thread in it enough to be able to pull the bush out
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Now that is a great idea....
as i've never pulled one out
and autos don't use them.... lol
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 03:40 PM |
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i still dont get where the bush is and whats a bsw tap
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 05:36 PM |
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Hi
Don't worry about the BSW [british standard whitworth] tap
as they would be hard top find these days.. lol
You won't find BSW bolts around either... lol
water pipe was BSW threads.. lol
he just used what was available... lol
What You need to do is pull the bush OUT
I'll see what pic I have
the bush is inside that piece so it needs to be pulled out..
tapping a thread in the old bush then screwing a bolt to it and removing it... there are a few ways to get it out...??
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 05:45 PM |
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B = the hole where the bushing goes...
check the bush...
as its no good replacing it if its NOT worn
but chances are its been in there for a long time...
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 07:46 PM |
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Is that second pic of the strarter motor
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 08:35 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Is that second pic of the strarter motor
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Apologies that is the pic of an automatic starter motor
which don't have the bush...
the end of the shaft on yours will be plain and round with the gear closest to the end of the starter motor..
but they do look the same otherwise...
LEE
PS: I would take the starter motor & solenoid to an auto electrician to be overhauled... Get a quote first... LEE
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 08:53 PM |
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Its a daily driver, need it tommoro.
Have got the starter out and done the bushes.
Need to get the bush out and engine is in, how do it?
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 08:56 PM |
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starter bushing is just pressed into the gearbox case
its just something for the starter shaft to run in
its actually missing in this pic
you can tap a thread into it so a bolt can be screwed into it to help get it out
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 09:03 PM |
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you get at it through the starter hole,whilst you have it out
and Lee... BSW taps, nuts, bolts are still easy to get as we use them at work all the time
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| posted on October 29th, 2009 at 09:27 PM |
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Yeah i just dont have any taps at or any other way of getting it out, I plan on getting a easy out from some shop tommmoro. Ive got the starter back
in and started it three times with no whirring so maybe just needed a slight sand.
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| posted on October 30th, 2009 at 01:49 AM |
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Hi
the end of the starter motor shaft may need some oil on it
to keep everything moving freely...
after taking the starter motor off again...
pull the gear on the end outwards...
then grease with lithium based moly grease or engine oil
coat the end of the shaft with grease where it goes into the bush...
all these things need lubricated....
if it moves lubricate it... to stop wear & rust..
None of this can hurt
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| posted on October 30th, 2009 at 07:43 PM |
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Okay, it started fine this morning and was game emnough to get petrol and started fine at the servo. Went to school and started fine while i was
leaving. Got into town, parked it left it for about an hour and started making that noise again but this time sounded like a turbo spooling as well,
like a higher pitch noise. Got it home and parked and just though id test it and it wouldnt kick. Leave it for half hour to an hour and itll start.
What is it?
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| posted on October 30th, 2009 at 08:15 PM |
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Sounds like the throwout bearing [or whatever its called] is sticking and not Flying out and engaging the flywheel gear..
You could just take the starter motor off...
and pull the gear outwards... if possible.. ??
and spray the splined shaft with WD40 or OIL...
there are splines under the piece that the gear is attached to...
that is supposed to fly out when the starter motor spins..
normally the gears engage and the engine starts...
I wouldn't normally advise that but it won't cost you anything and may keep the starter working,..
another starter motor would probably fix the problem....
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| posted on October 30th, 2009 at 08:23 PM |
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Yeah well its goiing to get a professional opinon tommoro so ifs its gunna cost more than 150 will just get a new starter form classic.
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