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| posted on January 20th, 2010 at 04:44 PM |
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Year Models and Speed
Hey guys, I'm sure a lot of you are well aware of these stats, but it might be of some interest to some of the others that don't!
Enjoy!
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| posted on January 20th, 2010 at 06:38 PM |
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god damn those figures are way off
a 1200 doesnt have a hope of pulling 80mph let alone a 1300 without a tailwind
1302 and 1303 supers can make 90mph, ive proved that out in several 
i find this ones alittle more accurate
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| posted on January 20th, 2010 at 07:34 PM |
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Hi
The 1st fugues didn't make sense with a 1302 & 1303 both being the same, Ive had a stock 1303 up to 100 mph easily and a 1303 is much more
slippery than a 1302.
Steve
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| posted on January 20th, 2010 at 09:30 PM |
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How come mexican are faster? Fig 1
is it a fuel injected or something?
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| posted on January 20th, 2010 at 09:44 PM |
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iv done 130km's easy in my 1303, and i know it could go more.
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| posted on January 21st, 2010 at 12:42 AM |
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I found this in a random book store and had a hard enough time getting it out of there undetected 
Good to see some proper stats!
Enjoy Guys!
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| posted on January 21st, 2010 at 08:37 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by jsheppard64
How come mexican are faster? Fig 1
is it a fuel injected or something?
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i think thats another fudged figure
yeah theyre digifant EFI but they make less HP than a carbed 1600
although theyre not loaded down with many options lol
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| posted on January 21st, 2010 at 08:57 AM |
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They build numbers look wrong as well
900,000 1302 and 1303s???
Futue te ipsum!!!
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As usual, who ever came up with those figures....
isn't correct...
and oval window beetles were NOT made until 1965??
1200 beetles were made right up to the last beetle made at Emden factory which was a 1200 standard beetle.
the 1302S had much worse air resistance than the standard beetle body... the large nose made a difference...
Mexican beetles ran on ethanol and the metal on Mexican beetles was a lot thinner.. so they would be faster...
maybe this guys?? calculator was wrong..?? or He just got it all wrong..
many figures in the books I have are incorrect...
plus many book writers really know nothing about VWs..
so, any Glaring mistake isn't noticed....
LEE
PS: what is the name of the book and who wrote it? Lee
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| posted on January 21st, 2010 at 02:19 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
god damn those figures are way off
a 1200 doesnt have a hope of pulling 80mph let alone a 1300 without a tailwind
1302 and 1303 supers can make 90mph, ive proved that out in several
i find this ones a little more accurate
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a 1200 beetle official top speed was 68 MPH...
the 1300 beetle I think was 72 MPH...
the oval and 1200 beetles numbers are mixed up..
the ovals didn't end in 1964??
and 1200 didn't start in 1965??
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| posted on January 21st, 2010 at 04:58 PM |
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The handbook for the 1967 Australian 1300 Deluxe I used to have quotes a top speed and cruise speed of 75mph.
Also I've had an indicated 90mph in my 70 with a 1300 in it... sure speedo's can be out, but by 15mph !?!?!
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top speed = cruising speed... same..
Yes
VW always used to advertise in the 50s and 60s that the top speed and the cruising speed were the same....
No other vehicle back then could advertise the same thing unless they had an overdrive top gear...
which was an optional extra in some cars...
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| posted on January 21st, 2010 at 11:45 PM |
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Not too sure of the book! It was one of those "50 Classic Cars" style books, and before I had to start work I had a quick flick, I can find out if
anyone is super interested? Though with the lack of reliability I doubt it :P
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| posted on January 22nd, 2010 at 07:39 AM |
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posted by 68AutoBugthe 1302S had much worse air resistance than the standard beetle body... the large nose made a difference...
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Must have been a very straight test track otherwise the 1500 Beetle would have gone off the road with its tractor front suspension swing axle rear
end. lol
We all know that these numbers have been bettered in stock VWs, so I wonder how they take the measurement and what criteria they use?
(insert picture of stupid car here)
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| posted on January 22nd, 2010 at 08:18 AM |
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figures are totally wrong
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| posted on January 22nd, 2010 at 02:40 PM |
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I hit 86mph downhill in my stock 1970 1500 and could've gone faster but the engine sounded like it was going to explode! That thing was so worn I was
running 40W70 oil and #3 cylinder was down to about 70psi compression. I believe that a stock one in good condition could do it on the flat, so that
top speed number is about right. As others have said though, some of those numbers are just ludicrous.
I've got the 1965 version of the VW-issued "Without Guesswork" book for dealer service departments, and that claims that the maximum speed of a
34hp Beetle is 72mph at 3870 rpm, with 0-100km/h in 37 seconds. The other performance figure they give is hill climbing ability on a sealed road.
Apparently the 34hp Beetle is good for a 43.5% grade in 1st gear.
Similarly the Type 2/1200 Kombi is rated at 60mph for the 34hp version and can climb a 26% grade with the full 3/4 ton in the back! The 1500cc Type 2
is rated at 26% grade hill-climbing with a full ton load.
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| posted on February 3rd, 2010 at 09:03 AM |
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This is a scan of an Australian VW brochure from 1974. It lists the 1300 Beetle's top speed as 77 mph (124 km/h), and the Superbug L's top speed as
81 mph (130 km/h).
In other Australian brochures, the 1200 Beetle's top speed is 72 mph (116 km/h); the '66-67 1300 Beetle's is 75 mph (121 km/h); the 1500 Beetle's
is also 75 mph (121 km/h); the Superbug S's top speed is 81 mph (130 km/h), exactly the same as the later Superbug L. However the semi-auto is only
77 mph. The '76 1600 Beetle's top speed is 81 mph (130 km/h).
The Country Buggy's top speed, listed in the Australian brochure, was just 64.6 mph (104 km/h).
VWs were renowned for 'loosening up' after say 10,000 miles and were faster than when they were new and tight. The road tests of the day would have
been done when the cars were new, and low-mileage. Also, don't forget that speedos normally read around 10% fast.
The 1200 Standard Beetles that were raced at Bathurst were never brand-new; they always had a few thousand miles on them, and they were faster.
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| posted on February 3rd, 2010 at 06:17 PM |
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I find this a bit tough to believe cause i recently maxed my 90mph speedo out with what i beleve is a stock 1600. And i have a full stereo and spare
tyres etc in the car at the time.
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| posted on February 14th, 2010 at 08:53 AM |
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Unfortunately speedos are rarely accurate - that is why people who rally cars even at club level spend $$$$s on getting speedos re-calibrated.
Best way to check speed is with GPS and you can buy then from $99.
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| posted on February 14th, 2010 at 09:17 AM |
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mine.........
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| posted on February 14th, 2010 at 12:03 PM |
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much was written about VWs performance back in the 50s and 60s and maybe 70's
but because of their overdrive top gear....
they could go faster down hill or on a slight decline etc...
but hills would really knock the speed OFF...
and back to 3rd gear....
VW used to say 3/4 loaded car etc...
better to say driver and one gallon of petrol - for better figures.. lol
and 40 PSI in the tyres.. lol
but 68 MPH and 72 MPH are the figures I've always remembered from VW owners manuals....
just about every book on VWs.. will list different figures....
LEE
PS: My 68 auto beetle came with front disc brakes and IRS suspension .. the car doesn;t wander all over the road with wind... or large trucks passing
etc.... EXCELLENT
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| posted on February 14th, 2010 at 06:46 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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