| [ Total Views: 644 | Total Replies: 18 | Thread Id: 81840 ] |
|
|
 jjwebb123
A.k.a.: Jason
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 617
Threads: 63
Registered: August 15th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Nrth QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Trying to get it puring
|
 posted on February 7th, 2010 at 06:49 PM |
|
|
is it the battery or other things?
hi everybody.
Um my beetle seems to be starting really dead like bera bera bera broom ding ding ding ding .like its sounds dead when turning over but starts fine.We
thought it was battery as it was down to 11.5volts so we charged it to full.now its doing it again and the battery should be good.Is there anything
else that would replicate the same affect as a low battery.
Thanks.
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
Adolf Hitler At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show
|
|
|
stevosky
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 232
Threads: 86
Registered: May 30th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: logan city
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on February 7th, 2010 at 06:53 PM |
|
|
The starter motor might be dodgy?
Steve
|
|
|
Joel
Scirocco Rare
Now containing 100% E-Wang
Posts: 9368
Threads: 211
Registered: February 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Purple
Mood: Tact Level 0.00
|
| posted on February 7th, 2010 at 08:19 PM |
|
|
how old is battery?
have you checked the levels in all the cells?
generator or reg might be getting lazy too
time to upgrage that dinosaur to an altenator
|
|
|
jjwebb123
A.k.a.: Jason
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 617
Threads: 63
Registered: August 15th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Nrth QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Trying to get it puring
|
| posted on February 7th, 2010 at 08:57 PM |
|
|
yeah battery all checked out,good cells and all.nah i don't think it is the starter,yeah an alternator would be good with electronic ignition. what
do you mean by reg? by the way do you need an alternator for electronic dizzy?
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
Adolf Hitler At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show
|
|
|
Joel
Scirocco Rare
Now containing 100% E-Wang
Posts: 9368
Threads: 211
Registered: February 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Purple
Mood: Tact Level 0.00
|
| posted on February 8th, 2010 at 09:55 AM |
|
|
reg - voltage regulator, under the backseat of the left
you dont need an alternator for electronic ignition but theyre a good idea for any daily driven vw
they're getting cheaper all the time, are higher output than gennys and also much more efficient
|
|
|
jjwebb123
A.k.a.: Jason
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 617
Threads: 63
Registered: August 15th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Nrth QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Trying to get it puring
|
| posted on February 8th, 2010 at 10:31 AM |
|
|
is that voltage regulator a little box like thing.i will eventually go for electronic ignition and alternator with new leads ,so depends on when the
cash is availible.? so what am i spose to check on this reg? cheers
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
Adolf Hitler At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show
|
|
|
Joel
Scirocco Rare
Now containing 100% E-Wang
Posts: 9368
Threads: 211
Registered: February 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Purple
Mood: Tact Level 0.00
|
| posted on February 8th, 2010 at 01:25 PM |
|
|
theres not really much you can check with them except the points inside which are like whats in the dizzy
these used to gum up a bit in damp weather in my first bug which caused low charge and dim red light at idle
alternators now are all internally regulated and so dont need an external reg like the original factory ones
|
|
|
jjwebb123
A.k.a.: Jason
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 617
Threads: 63
Registered: August 15th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Nrth QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Trying to get it puring
|
| posted on February 8th, 2010 at 03:52 PM |
|
|
oh ok i see.so you can pull them apart i might go have a look this afternoon.
Thanks for your help.
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
Adolf Hitler At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show
|
|
|
jjwebb123
A.k.a.: Jason
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 617
Threads: 63
Registered: August 15th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Nrth QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Trying to get it puring
|
| posted on February 15th, 2010 at 08:26 AM |
|
|
yeah i checked that,didnt seem much wrong with it.so i dont know any more.
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
Adolf Hitler At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show
|
|
|
Uber Kafer
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 414
Threads: 50
Registered: November 12th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Bunbury (BunVegas) WA
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Need a bigger shed..
|
| posted on February 18th, 2010 at 02:54 PM |
|
|
Back to your original problems and your original question.
PROBLEMS THAT MAY GIVE THE IMPRESSION OF A FAILED BATTERY:
A FAILED BATTERY - if the battery is more than 3 years old I would start to suspect it, especially if it has had anything but regular use, healthy
charge levels, and healthy electrolyte levels. Question - you say it checks out ok, was it load tested at an auto electricians?
POOR CONNECTIONS - disconnect the battery negative for this work. Loosen, inspect, clean, re-tighten the following:
1) battery negative terminal (dont put it back on just yet though!!),
2) negative lead to floor pan,
3) earth strap from chassis to transaxle.
4) Check tightness of starter motor bolts to transaxle.
5) Positive large cable on starter solenoid,
6) Positive connection on battery.
POOR CHARGING SYSTEM, poor generator or alternator output - measure BATTERY POST volts with engine running, with respect to the ideal charge volts of
around 13.6 volts at the battery posts. It may be around 12.5v at idle, but should be steady 13.5 to 13.8 at all revs above 1000 rpm ( normal driving
revs). Check again with headlights on, does it drop back to 12 volts? This would mean that if all the connections are ok the charge output is not
keeping up anymore. = faulty regulator or alternator.
EXCESS DRAIN CURRENT WHEN PARKED. - a wiring or component fault may be draining the charge as the car sits. This will not only flatten the battery
between runs, but degrade the battery as they dont like deep charge cycles. Shorten battery life.
A technically minded person is required to prove or disprove this (without shorting something ut and causing more damage).
ADVICE: A volt meter mounted on the dash is a really good way to monitor battery charge and condition, and avoid surprises. Get used to what is a
healthy charge and what is not. Mid 13's is good, low 12's or lower is no good.
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on February 18th, 2010 at 03:59 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by jjwebb123
hi everybody.
Um my beetle seems to be starting really dead like bera bera bera broom ding ding ding ding .like its sounds dead when turning over but starts fine.We
thought it was battery as it was down to 11.5volts so we charged it to full.now its doing it again and the battery should be good.Is there anything
else that would replicate the same affect as a low battery.
Thanks.
|
hOW OFTEN DO yOU DRIVE IT??
batteries like to be charged often....
if you had an electronic ignition Your car would probably start first kick...
I had a High Energy electronic ignition with the points...
always started first time every time...
until the points rubbing block wore away and shorted it out..
back to condensor again.. and slow starting...lol
LEE
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on February 18th, 2010 at 04:20 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by jjwebb123
yeah i checked that,didnt seem much wrong with it.so i dont know any more.
|
Hi
a hot start relay is also a great idea...
should have been in all beetles to start with..
instead of the power going from the battery all the way to the starter switch and then back to the starter motor solenoid..
it just goes from the battery to the starter solenoid via a relay..
Makes a huge difference.. also saves Your ignition switch...
LEE
ps: THE 85 WIRE ALREADY GOES TO THE STARTER MOTOR SOLENOID.... SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE DISCONNECTED AND ATTACHED TO THE RELAY WITH A SPADE CLIP..
Your beetle wiring may already have spade clips on the wires..
early beetles used screw on terminals... LEE
| Error |
| Sorry, you must be a registered user in order to download attachments. |
|
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
jjwebb123
A.k.a.: Jason
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 617
Threads: 63
Registered: August 15th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Nrth QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Trying to get it puring
|
| posted on February 18th, 2010 at 05:06 PM |
|
|
Wow,thanks for your help .not sure what to do now.I'm pretty
sure at this stage that it is the battery.But my voltmeter broke a few months back so cant check it.I didnt realize how high the battery should be.I
have a generator not an alternator.And because we have been fixing little things here and there it just gets a small run in the shed.Its needs new
terminals they dont look the best,and there is a possibility that the battery is older than 3 years.
At the moment i am really looking towards either a new dizzy with electronic ignition,or just a ignition module and install it myself.But Money is
running low at the moment.Would you recommend an alternator over a generator?.i also intend on getting new leads as they are still originals.Sparks
plug were changed when i purchased the beetle(clemy).
Thanks.
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
Adolf Hitler At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show
|
|
|
Uber Kafer
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 414
Threads: 50
Registered: November 12th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Bunbury (BunVegas) WA
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Need a bigger shed..
|
| posted on February 22nd, 2010 at 01:33 PM |
|
|
If I understand your problem (bera bera bera broom ding ding ding ding) and it is slow cranking and thats all you want to fix, then dont waste your
time and money on ignition components.
You say its not getting any runs, that will stress even a healthy battery, it needs a run or regular charge-ups while it lives in the shed.
Batteries dont last forever, they are a consumeable. If its over 3 years old, and giving you trouble...replace it. Then put a volt meter on the dash
somewhere and work out if your generator or alternator is providing a healthy charge.
|
|
|
jjwebb123
A.k.a.: Jason
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 617
Threads: 63
Registered: August 15th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Nrth QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Trying to get it puring
|
| posted on February 22nd, 2010 at 03:23 PM |
|
|
{update}
I just got back from my dad towing my beetle home .I was
going for a cruise to give it a run and charge the battery.I started heading home and boom boom ding ding ding br br br.lol its started to break
down.I nursed it almost all the way home stopping about 500metres from my house.went to start it again and beeera beeera dead battery sound,and a bad
noise coming from the engine compartment.Got towed home,and my grandfather was there who is a motor mechanic and has done most of the major engine
work to my car.He diagnosed the problem as the noise coming from the back was coming from the generator,like a bearing or something.And well the
reason it wouldn't turn over was the battery,because as soon as we connected the jumper leads to my dad's car she fired up straight away,still the
noise in the back though.I am yet to pull the gen belt off and give it a turn to see if i can hear anything,But so far we reckon the battery is most
likely stuffed,or the gen is not charging as it should .Occasional
miss fires and breakdowns at top rev due to bad battery resulting in bad spark.NOW I know i will get a lot of feedback from this .but please i tried
to explain this the best i could and some of the words i used are probably not right.LOL anyway that is where my beetle stands at this moment.Thinking
of changing to an alternator.and new battery.
Have a good day cheers.hope you enjoyed my novel
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
Adolf Hitler At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show
|
|
|
 helbus
A.k.a.: Pete S
Super Administrator
Mad fabricator, paint and body
Posts: 7386
Threads: 312
Registered: September 1st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: In the garage chopping cars into bits
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: In the thinking chair
|
| posted on February 22nd, 2010 at 04:40 PM |
|
|
Older ignition and charging systems comprise of points ignition and generator. Points ignition will still operate at lower voltages like 8volts, and
generators are not high capacity chargers. So they work well together in an older technological and reliable way. Low battery or even push start and
your car is off and running.
Moving on to a more modern way, you have alternators with inbuilt regulators and electronic ignition systems. You need everything to be in a more
optimum condition. Battery showing 12.6 volts is fully charged. The Alternator will go up to 13.8-14 volts when charging.
|
|
|
jjwebb123
A.k.a.: Jason
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 617
Threads: 63
Registered: August 15th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Nrth QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Trying to get it puring
|
| posted on February 22nd, 2010 at 05:47 PM |
|
|
so what are you saying keeping it original is the way to go?
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
Adolf Hitler At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show
|
|
|
jjwebb123
A.k.a.: Jason
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 617
Threads: 63
Registered: August 15th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Nrth QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Trying to get it puring
|
| posted on February 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 AM |
|
|
could it be the coil getting hot? it only happens once the engine gets warm.(normal)
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
Adolf Hitler At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show
|
|
|
Uber Kafer
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 414
Threads: 50
Registered: November 12th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Bunbury (BunVegas) WA
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Need a bigger shed..
|
| posted on February 25th, 2010 at 09:13 PM |
|
|
So it sounds like your generator self destructed.....mechanically... not electrically... simple really.
If the generator has catastrophically failed, replace it with whatever your budget will allow, and then see if your battery will live through the
trauma and continue to do its job given a healthy diet of jolts...I mean volts....
|
|
|
