| [ Total Views: 907 | Total Replies: 14 | Thread Id: 82989 ] |
|
|
 VolksVair
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 252
Threads: 32
Registered: April 6th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Geelong VIC
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 03:20 PM |
|
|
Plastic fuel filters on upright vw engines
Hi All, hands up how many of you have installed a fuel filter on an upright vw motor between the fuel pump and standard carb? if so, go to the
back of the class!! ha no. just go to the back of your vdub, and look at that filter and then try to imagine if that filter ever leaked, where
would the petrol drop onto?? YEAH the bloody distributor!! maybe pay to get some new longer fuel line and re-instal your filter by re routing it
away from a potential disaster, how many vws have had an engine fire and 99% of the cause was exactly what I have described! I guess there will be
a shortage of fuel hose over the next few days Hmmmm cheers Frank
Adventure Before Dimentia
|
|
|
h
A.k.a.: Towely BuMpEr KING! ILLegal ALIEN on a roadtrip
Scirocco Rare
fractals - an ever changing lifestyle
Posts: 7671
Threads: 375
Registered: February 3rd, 2005
Member Is Offline
Location: noosa hillbilly 'yee har'
Theme: XMBX Pro Green
Mood: A T3 is not a Kombi - stop waving at me
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 03:56 PM |
|
|
+ big fire extinguisher carried n easily accessable at all times
|
|
|
Paulc1964au
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1627
Threads: 59
Registered: March 5th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney, NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 04:29 PM |
|
|
First thing I did lwhen Ibought my bug last month was have the fuel filter relocated too under the pan after a recommendation from fellow dubber Peter
H
|
|
|
Sides
A.k.a.: Dave Sidery
Veteran Volks Folk
Posts: 2220
Threads: 59
Registered: May 20th, 2007
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Need... more... shed... time...
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 04:58 PM |
|
|
Saw a very nice Orange 76 Bug out at the Bug-In Show n Shine on Sunday... and yup, it had the dreaded plastic fuel filter sitting there above the
dizzy.
Nicely gave the owner the tip to shift it elsewhere... ideally forward above the trans away from heat etc., but basically just get it out of the
engine bay. Seemed a good bloke and took it well, and being an ex-firey said he'd wondered about it sitting there like that...
VWDCQ vice pres & web dude - vwdcqinc.org.au
Join a car club - get car peeps
My toys
'70 Hillclimb Bug 'Jezebel' w/- Haltech EFI - http://bit.ly/VwTNtQ
'60 KG Coupe - resto kinda started
01 New Beetle - gf's car, but I turn the spanners |
|
|
amazeer
A.k.a.: Surly Duff
Bishop of Volkswagenism
Posts: 3029
Threads: 387
Registered: November 14th, 2005
Member Is Offline
Location: Wollongong
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: bitter
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 08:33 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by VolksVair
Hi All, hands up how many of you have installed a fuel filter on an upright vw motor between the fuel pump and standard carb? if so, go to the
back of the class!! ha no. just go to the back of your vdub, and look at that filter and then try to imagine if that filter ever leaked, where
would the petrol drop onto?? YEAH the bloody distributor!! maybe pay to get some new longer fuel line and re-instal your filter by re routing it
away from a potential disaster, how many vws have had an engine fire and 99% of the cause was exactly what I have described! I guess there will be
a shortage of fuel hose over the next few days Hmmmm cheers Frank
|
I dont believe so. I know its an often passed around piece of banter. Of the 3 burnt cars I have seen (actually seen with my own eyes, not heresay)
have been the carb fittings falling out. Also had a fitting comeo out of my kombi engine but didnt start a fire. I've seen a few potential fires from
shitty fuel hose. Not saying they dont exist, but I've never seen a leaky fuel filter. Would have to be a shitty filter, theres only a couple of psi
pressure in them.
My gut feeling is that the odd drip on a distributor wouldnt cause a fire. Its not that hot, the drip would have to get where the sparks are, under
the cap. If it was just a drop and did ignite, it would just phhht and be gone. you'd need more fuel to get a fire going.
Does anyone know if VW fitted fuel filters and where were they put? A 36er has metal fuel lines so obviously if a fuel filter existed, it wasnt in the
engine bay in those times.
On a similar subject, Does anyone
 
|
|
|
Joel
Scirocco Rare
Now containing 100% E-Wang
Posts: 9368
Threads: 211
Registered: February 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Purple
Mood: Tact Level 0.00
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 08:41 PM |
|
|
This topic just goes on and on
cant speak for other models of vws but the only bugs that used external plastic inline filters were 73-75 Lbugs and possibly 76s??
they were installed in the hose coming out the bottom of the tank
my blue Lbug still had the factory one with the original crimp on clamps and 34 years of grunge inside
original german fuel pumps have a mesh filter in them, but 99% of replacement pumps dont.
all bugs other than Lbugs there was also a mesh filter on the tank pick up
on standards its fits over the fitting that screws in the bottom of the tank but in Sbugs its a filter sock that sits over the end of the pick up tube
and is accessed thro a bung in the bottom like so
I agree with you chris, its not normally the filter itself that starts the fire, it would have be 200 years old to be brittle enough to explode.
all the ones ive seen burned have had either no hose clamps on the filter, leaky hose or the main one is the weight of the filter hanging off the hose
pulls the barb out of the carb or the fuel pump on the early bolt togther types
|
|
|
Paulc1964au
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1627
Threads: 59
Registered: March 5th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney, NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 08:46 PM |
|
|
Found this on wiki
"This is usually caused from fuel lines in the engine compartment cracking or coming loose, spraying fuel on a hot engine. This can happen if the
engine condition gets neglected. If you take care of your fuel lines by replacing them when they wear out and attach them properly, you should not
have this problem. "
|
|
|
 barls
A.k.a.: Mr indestructible
Super Administrator
Causer of Chaos and Mayhem
Posts: 9470
Threads: 296
Registered: June 22nd, 2004
Member Is Offline
Location: cruising in denistone east
Theme: UltimaBB Streamlined2
Mood: indestructible? and listening to the voices
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 08:54 PM |
|
|
i have seen a handful of filters split including some of the top brands. ive personally seen a couple cause fires in the engine bay. not nice.
|
|
|
jsheppard64
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 323
Threads: 19
Registered: March 23rd, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Shibukawa, Gunma
Theme: UltimaBB Psyche Red
Mood: Akiba-Spec
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 09:15 PM |
|
|
after a first few month i got my car i snapped the very old belt and it slapped the filter that the old owner put between the pump and the carb.
i heard the snap and saw the gen light. opened the decklid and fuel was pouring out all over the tinware. but no there was no fire
also one of the other common place is under the back seat on the battery, electrical fire
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
 posted on April 7th, 2010 at 10:39 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by VolksVair
Hi All, hands up how many of you have installed a fuel filter on an upright vw motor between the fuel pump and standard carb? if so, go to the
back of the class!! ha no. just go to the back of your vdub, and look at that filter and then try to imagine if that filter ever leaked, where
would the petrol drop onto?? YEAH the bloody distributor!! maybe pay to get some new longer fuel line and re-instal your filter by re routing it
away from a potential disaster, how many vws have had an engine fire and 99% of the cause was exactly what I have described! I guess there will be
a shortage of fuel hose over the next few days Hmmmm cheers Frank
|
Hi Frank
I have always placed the filter either under the fuel tank or approx above the rear axle... where the pipe comes out of the chassis...
I have seen where some VW owners actually drill out the carburetor and screw in a fuel supply hose fitting..
or tying the hose clamp to the carby with steel wire, so it can't come out... as per aircraft..
its very common place to see the small or large plastic fuel filters in the engine bay...
also, many people are unaware that they need hose clamps on fuel hoses...??
LEE
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 10:44 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by jsheppard64
after a first few month i got my car i snapped the very old belt and it slapped the filter that the old owner put between the pump and the carb.
i heard the snap and saw the gen light. opened the decklid and fuel was pouring out all over the tinware. but no there was no fire
also one of the other common place is under the back seat on the battery, electrical fire
|
Hi,
I always replace fan belts long before they are about to break..
and always carry two spares...
I also use alternator belts on My alternator.. these belts don't stretch like the old original belts.... and are wider..
Batteries need to have a large piece of rubber over the top of them...
if someone puts their knee on the seat, it can short circuit the battery...
a very dangerous situation....
usually resulting in a fire....
You can now buy EXIDE batteries with recessed posts...
at a reasonable price.. at BIG W...
I have noticed that car batteries prices are escalating....
LEE
-
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
VolksVair
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 252
Threads: 32
Registered: April 6th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Geelong VIC
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 11:21 PM |
|
|
Okay folks, go out to your dubs at night, start the engine, and in total darkness, see if you can see any electrical shorts & static jumps
from ignition leads, or if your dizzy cap has a light film of dust on it, watch how the high energy voltage tracks across it! all you need is
poor maintenance, old dizzy caps or leads, some over tightening of fuel hose clamps around pissy plastic inline filters and good night Irene!!
Most vigilant grease monkeys keep an eye on their electrics, constantly keeping all clean from dust, replacing leads and dodgy caps, restraining any
loose wiring to lesson chances of shorts, I can go on and on, plastic filters dont split, and normally they dont get a chance to get hard and
brittle as eventually they get clogged and the bloke behind the wheel wonders why he aint getting full throttle hense they get replaced, but it is
usually the fitting of these fuel filters that causes the dramas, "A" the old condition of the original fuel line gets over looked & someone
cuts and shoves an inline filter into it, wont be long before the ends of the old fuel hose start to split either side of the filter, the old fuel
line would have been alot safer intact as the only leakage would be from either end at the fuel pump or carb which would have only evaporated from
heat and any droplets of fuel would have landed away from any ignition source, but as I said previously, the main cause for fuel leakage from inline
plastic fuel filters is caused by heavy handed grease monkeys over tightening hose clamps crushing the plastic end fittings. and No the sparks are
not contained to the inside of a distributor cap. You guys that have installed filters under the car have the right idea, hope I havent upset anyone
with my reply, cheers Frank
Adventure Before Dimentia
|
|
|
VolksVair
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 252
Threads: 32
Registered: April 6th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Geelong VIC
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on April 7th, 2010 at 11:42 PM |
|
|
Oh, while on the subject of fuel,, how many people try to tune their cars, go through all the normal proceedures to get the motor purring and only
get a marginal improvement? or they manage to get the car running sweet but still every once in a short while it runs shitty then comes good? most
engines have some sort of vibration, vibrations cause things to get loose, next time your tuning that dub engine, grab a spanner and check your
intake manifold mounting nuts, and those with twin port standard intake manifolds, carefully inspect the flange of your rubber manifold couplings
for fine hairline cracks, I'm only new in here, and maybe yous have allready touched on this but thought I might stick my two bobs worth, cheers
Adventure Before Dimentia
|
|
|
helbus
A.k.a.: Pete S
Super Administrator
Mad fabricator, paint and body
Posts: 7386
Threads: 312
Registered: September 1st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: In the garage chopping cars into bits
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: In the thinking chair
|
| posted on April 8th, 2010 at 12:17 AM |
|
|
Definitely do not have a fuel filter between the fuel pump and carby. If it is plastic, then just wait until it cracks and fuel goes onto the
distributor and starts a fire.
Better to have the fuel filter under the car before the pump. Original VW's had no filter.
The battery is definitely recommended to be a recessed terminal type as fitted to many vehicles like BMW and Mercedes. There are about many brands
available, so you have no excuse. You make the choice whether you want a poor type of battery that has a chance of fire, or a correct type battery.
|
|
|
jsheppard64
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 323
Threads: 19
Registered: March 23rd, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Shibukawa, Gunma
Theme: UltimaBB Psyche Red
Mood: Akiba-Spec
|
| posted on April 8th, 2010 at 10:49 PM |
|
|
we;ll the shell we bought had an electrical fire inside
it caused by the +ve wire that goes to the front feed everything.
that wire got caught under the backseat steel frame.
that's one more thing to look out for...
|
|
|
