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what year is this beetle with vin
Hi all,
I am trying to find out what year a particular beetle is.
It's vin is 196030111. (Matches both compliance plate and chassis)
Previous owner not sure but thinks it may be a 62.
Couldn't read anything off the back of the speedo.
Any other info from this vin would be great if anyone knows.
Thanks
Thats not rust, it's ah ... orange primer ... yep that's what it is ...
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| posted on April 14th, 2010 at 04:52 PM |
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You sure you typed that number in right ???
9 digits normally means 1965 - 1970, but they all start with 11.
Starting with 19 is way back in the late 50's when they were still 7 digit numbers....could it possibly be that you've missed a one off the front,
and it actually starts with 119 ???
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| posted on April 14th, 2010 at 04:57 PM |
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aussie built 66 
2nd digit being 9 means made in aus
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| posted on April 14th, 2010 at 06:21 PM |
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yep AUSSIE 66 for sure
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 posted on April 14th, 2010 at 11:41 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by rob53
Hi all,
I am trying to find out what year a particular beetle is.
It's vin is 196030111. (Matches both compliance plate and chassis)
Previous owner not sure but thinks it may be a 62.
Couldn't read anything off the back of the speedo.
Any other info from this vin would be great if anyone knows.
Thanks
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Yes Made in Australia by Volkswagen Australasia
the year will also be stamped in the wheels around the centre part.. [this is when the wheels were made]
Year should also be on the back of the speedo...
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 10:44 AM |
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I'll check the vin again today, I did look at the wheels, but 4 of them are wider 5 stud wheels with 65 stamped on them, however the spare is a
narrow 5 stud wheel with 63 stamped on it.
Thats not rust, it's ah ... orange primer ... yep that's what it is ...
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 10:49 AM |
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Wheels and speedos can be changed easy but i have a good vin decoder program and it says it's built August 1965 It being a 66 model built in August
1965. Hope this helps ,
From Dylan
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 12:36 PM |
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There's no way it would have been built in August 1965 - sorry Dylan.
Australia's factory was not as big and efficient as Wolfsburg, and it took months for changes to filter through the system. Australian model year
changes generally came in at the start of the new year - February or March - after the Xmas break. German changes were the previous August.
A 196 nnn nnn is an Australian 1966 model chassis - German chassis began 116 but Australian-manufactured cars had a '9' for the second digit.
Overseas websites - and even VW Germany today - miss that point.
That number was the 30,111th stamping for 1966 so I am guessing it was made very late in 1966, or even in early 1967. VW sold only 20,000 or so
Beetles in 1966.
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 01:15 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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A 196 nnn nnn is an Australian 1966 model chassis - German chassis began 116 but Australian-manufactured cars had a '9' for the second digit.
Overseas websites - and even VW Germany today - miss that point.
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that happens alot, a guy on ebay was selling a bug ute with 197# and all the typical signs of being an aus 67 like basket weave seats, side mounted
visors etc but he was trying to sell it as a 56 oval cos thats what thesamba tells him the vin meant 
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 02:53 PM |
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ok I double checked the vin, definitely starts with 19. On the back of the speedo I read 65 12, so is it a december 65?
Thats not rust, it's ah ... orange primer ... yep that's what it is ...
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 03:00 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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A 196 nnn nnn is an Australian 1966 model chassis - German chassis began 116 but Australian-manufactured cars had a '9' for the second digit.
Overseas websites - and even VW Germany today - miss that point.
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Right, Ok - that makes sense... guess I've learnt something new !!!
The date stamp on the speedo I'm pretty sure is just when the speedo was made, not necessarily the car...
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 posted on April 15th, 2010 at 03:07 PM |
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Yes
the date on the rear of the speedo is when the speedo was made....
same as the wheels...
these are also two of the easiest things to change....
so many cars have wrong date wheels and speedo...
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 03:21 PM |
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You can also check underneath the front blinkers. Unscrew the chrome screw, lift off the chrome covers and look underneath. There's usually a date
stamp there.
Not a guarantee of course, as mudguards/blinkers could have been swapped even more often than wheels/speedos.
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 03:31 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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You can also check underneath the front blinkers. Unscrew the chrome screw, lift off the chrome covers and look underneath. There's usually a date
stamp there.
Not a guarantee of course, as mudguards/blinkers could have been swapped even more often than wheels/speedos.
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Yes...
All of those things are Not My original parts... lol
and mudguards and blinkers would be accident prone....
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 03:32 PM |
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front indicators are off a later style beetle
Thats not rust, it's ah ... orange primer ... yep that's what it is ...
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 05:38 PM |
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thanks everyone for help
Thats not rust, it's ah ... orange primer ... yep that's what it is ...
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| posted on April 15th, 2010 at 07:17 PM |
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There's no way it would have been built in August 1965 - sorry Dylan.
Australia's factory was not as big and efficient as Wolfsburg, and it took months for changes to filter through the system. Australian model year
changes generally came in at the start of the new year - February or March - after the Xmas break. German changes were the previous August.
A 196 nnn nnn is an Australian 1966 model chassis - German chassis began 116 but Australian-manufactured cars had a '9' for the second digit.
Overseas websites - and even VW Germany today - miss that point.
That number was the 30,111th stamping for 1966 so I am guessing it was made very late in 1966, or even in early 1967. VW sold only 20,000 or so
Beetles in 1966.
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Yeah well my decoder is not an Aus one so theres the problem. thanks for the info phill.
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| posted on April 16th, 2010 at 03:18 PM |
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so based on whats been said here my vin number 119052264 would make it a 1969 model built in Germany?
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| posted on April 16th, 2010 at 03:50 PM |
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Right.
But is that the VIN (chassis number) for the car in your avatar, which looks like a 6V Beetle? Is 1964 your year model? If so, then the floorpan must
have been been swapped !
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| posted on April 16th, 2010 at 04:18 PM |
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No Phil the photo in my avatar is of my very first car which was a 67 beetle.
Can you tell what month my 69 car was built by the vin?
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| posted on April 16th, 2010 at 05:02 PM |
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so based on whats been said here my vin number 119052264 would make it a 1969 model built in Germany?
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Hi
The 1969 model beetle [Volkswagen 69 year model]
had two levers to turn the heaters on at the floor...
the levers were under the dash either side...
ONLY 1969 models had these...
LEE
1969 VW year model goes from 1st August 1968 to 31st July
1969....
not january to december...
which many books now quote.. and makes things more complicated.. Lee
The VW year changed in 1955 [from memory]
the changes were made so the factory could change things while the workers were on Summer Holidays.. JULY-AUG...
All the identification lists I have seen are for the German made beetle... which had large glass etc in 1966..
and the ONE YEAR ONLY BEETLE the German 1967....
which had round push button outside door handles.. amongst other things.. which didn't continue in 1968..
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| posted on April 16th, 2010 at 05:16 PM |
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Yes mine has the levers on the floor as well as under the dash
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| posted on April 16th, 2010 at 05:25 PM |
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I can tell by my decoder. ill check now.
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| posted on April 16th, 2010 at 05:37 PM |
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cool look forward to the results
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| posted on April 16th, 2010 at 07:35 PM |
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that will give you a very rough approximation, but what u need to bear in mind it was assembled from a CKD kit and australia sold them at much slower
rates than say germany or US so whilst it may have left germany in april 69 it might not have been assembled and complianced here till say novemeber
where as one bound for europe or US would have been put together months earlier but have a later chassis number
ive found on all the 70s bugs Ive owned theres usually a 4-5 month gap between part manufacture dates (engine, wheels, speedo, interior panels etc)
and the aus compliance date
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