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 HappyDaze
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 06:09 PM |
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Brake Drums - a word of warning! Greg Mackie
Nearly everyone knows by now that I managed to invert my 'Blackish' 59 Beetle at the Supersprints on Saturday. What is perhaps not commonly known is
what caused this to happen.This is straight from the 'horses mouth'.
As the original rear drums were worn in the splines, I decided to replace them with new ones for the Supersprints. This turned out to be a mistake, as
the outside rear drum (brand new) collapsed under cornering load, and the result was a potentially serious roll-over. Fortunately, aided by good
safety gear and some body strengthening, I walked away unhurt.
I am well aware that I was placing a great deal more stress on the drums than was intended by the manufacturer, but I feel compelled to bring this to
the attention of my fellow VW enthusiasts.
Cheers, Greg
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 06:14 PM |
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Greg,
Being there I can attest to the severity of the rollover. If you plan to rebuild what will you do differently? Convert to disc brakes? Install a full
roll cage or do you think you will hang up your helmet for racing?
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HappyDaze
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 06:19 PM |
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Not rushing into a decision. I think that I'll hang up that helmet.........but I might get a new one!
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 06:22 PM |
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Glad to hear it Greg do you mind if i post some pics of the car here?
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HappyDaze
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 06:25 PM |
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Not at all.
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 06:37 PM |
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 07:19 PM |
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omg i got a sick feeling in the stomach after going though those photos...
thats crazy. Sorry to hear the bad news.
What did u mean by the new brake drum collapsing? It just fell to bits (collapsed in on itself) due to the kerb weight + g's & at the speed u
were going?
scary stuff.
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 07:52 PM |
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The 'friction' section parted company with the 'spline' section. Don't know the reason for this, but I will be having it checked out by an
expert. When I have the results of testing, I intend to publish them here.
Cheers, Greg
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 07:56 PM |
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Yeah, not good Greg... "potentially serious roll-over" is a bit of an understatement !!!
Any chance of some pics of the failed drum ???
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 08:21 PM |
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You can see the smashed rear drum in this first photo:
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 08:24 PM |
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ive got an up close one of the drum, will post up when i can, unless someone else beats me to it
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 09:00 PM |
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Not to sound gorish but does anyone have video or pics of the roll over?? I was looking at the person who spun on the last corner when it happened and
missed it
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 09:31 PM |
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Glad you weren't hurt man
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| posted on May 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 PM |
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pic as promised, would also be curious to see a video, seems everyone missed the start of it
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 07:47 AM |
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pic as promised, would also be curious to see a video, seems everyone missed the start of it
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That's because it happened so quickly. When the drum broke, it just 'dug in', and flipped. Even I didn't know what was going on - that's never
happened to me before, thankfully.
Hope to get the offending drum tested soon.
Cheers, Greg
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 07:54 AM |
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that is farkin scary,cant beleive you walked out like a superhero would of....
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 09:56 AM |
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Heck
I'm glad you're okay. Thanks for the words of warning.
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 03:58 PM |
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Hi Greg,
We were SO glad to see you get out and walk away. The whole racetrack went quiet.
I think everyone held their breath until we saw you get out.
It hurt to see what happened to your Bug. Its amazing you came out of that unscathed!!!! Will we see another Black 8 Bug???
Glad to hear you're not thinking of hanging up the helmet!!!!
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 04:52 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by HappyDaze
That's because it happened so quickly. When the drum broke, it just 'dug in', and flipped. Even I didn't know what was going on - that's never
happened to me before, thankfully.
Hope to get the offending drum tested soon.
Cheers, Greg
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Good to see You are still with Us Greg
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So this drum u are getting tested, if it was a fault with it, could u get compensation?
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 05:22 PM |
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I'm more concerned in finding out if there is a problem with these drums, than getting compensation.
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 05:44 PM |
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RatBug on here had a similar thing happen to a rear disc on his buggy. No roll over though. after market job.
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 06:56 PM |
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if im thinking of the right one wasnt that one ^^^ caused by them being drilled for 4x4 6stud? without being thick enough for the holes, that comes to
mind anyway, true about finding out if they are poor quality too, wouldnt want to see it happen again
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 07:25 PM |
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That drum has broken during the rollover from side impact
not prior too
the axle is very bent
sorry if u disagree
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| Quote: | Originally
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if im thinking of the right one wasnt that one ^^^ caused by them being drilled for 4x4 6stud? without being thick enough for the holes, that comes to
mind anyway, true about finding out if they are poor quality too, wouldnt want to see it happen again
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no it wasn't.
They were 5 stud falcon. as purchased from dealer
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no probs, wasnt sure if that was the same
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| Quote: | Originally
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That drum has broken during the rollover from side impact
not prior too
the axle is very bent
sorry if u disagree
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I'm not expert but I did see the actual rollover and it was the passenger side that took the impact, you will note the fractured drum is on the
relatively undamaged side of the car.
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 07:41 PM |
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IMO.... for side impact to fracture the brake drum the wheel rim itself would show signs of damage. Inspect the rim it has NO damage.........if you
like come over and have a look for yourself.....So for Greg to have driven this car around Wakefield for the last 3 and a bit years doing numerous
laps with a race driver record well above par.......change brake drums before race meeting with new ones and have a result as you see leaves very
little to driver error in my opinion...sorry you disagree
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| posted on May 24th, 2010 at 08:35 PM |
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Greg, did you hear the drum shatter?
Glad you're OK
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