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 vicelore
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| posted on June 17th, 2010 at 02:39 PM |
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Porsche Wheels etc Why
Hey guys.
Just getting into the VW scene and about to buy my 1st VW.. Been looking around for inspiration on how i would like it to look and noticed allot of
Porsche stuff on VWs. Wheels etc.
Just wondering why this is ?? I know they are both German cars but i was wondering if there was other links in VWs history that i might be missing ??
Would love some info on why the VW scene went away from genuine accessories for what seems to be allot of Porsche stuff.
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| posted on June 17th, 2010 at 02:55 PM |
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VW own Porsche and audi and few others.
Dr Ferdinand Porsche (founder) developed the vw beetle.
From there he used the foundation of the vw beetle design to bring forth 356 then rest followed. 901, 912, 911, 914, 906 blah blah.
A lot of Porsche parts are suitable for the vw as performance replacements.
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| posted on June 17th, 2010 at 03:13 PM |
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Late Vws (68 on) can be easily converted to porsche wheel stud pattern as they are 4 x 130 pcd and Porsche are 5 x130, early Vws (pre68) are 5 x 205
pcd which is the same stud pattern as 356 Porsche
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| posted on June 17th, 2010 at 03:32 PM |
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In the early years, the family resemblance was amazing:
There's also a lot on common between the two company's in more recent times.
- Porsche 914 was jointly designed/developed by VW and Porsche, and apparently in-part as a successor to the Type 1 Karmann Ghia
- Porsche 924 jointly designed by VW and Porsche as a replacement for the 914, and uses VW IRS rear suspension with a VW engine (up front)
- Porsche 944 evolved from the 924, early years used VW IRS rear suspension, then when the 944Turbo came in upgraded with alloy arms that will bolt
directly up to a VW IRS car (Beetle, Type 3 etc.)
- Porsche Cayenne and VW Touareg... basically the same car and running gear, different styling and engine tho obviously
Finally, there's Porsche's strong desire to own VW...in some ways VW was stolen from the Posrche family by the British Army... and just before the
GFC hit there was a very real chance that Porsche was going to fiinally manage it.
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| posted on June 17th, 2010 at 03:41 PM |
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Oh - and on the practical side with the wheels, basically the offset of wheels from "narrow body" 911's upto about the mid 80's make them a fairly
straight forward fit to a Beetle (6" ET36 fronts, 7" ET23 for the rear)
Late model Porsche brakes are also a common upgrade on late model Golf's (dimensions in most things are pretty complementary - mounting systems, hat
sizes, offsets etc.)
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| posted on June 17th, 2010 at 04:24 PM |
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Yes, a Porsche is only a rich man's VW.
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| posted on June 17th, 2010 at 04:29 PM |
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Its mainly come from the influence of the Germanlook scene.
As mentioned so many parts are interchangeable
the 924/944 front end is a excellent upgrade for S and L bugs and so are the rear disc brakes
alot of electrical parts are interchangeable too
Ive got a heap of 924 parts to go into mine like intermittent wipers, headlight/foglight/heater switch gear etc cos its all a straight swap
heres a little reading on the subject that may help
http://www.germanlook.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29
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| posted on June 17th, 2010 at 04:38 PM |
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Hi
Porsche wheels mostly look right on a VW, other wheels can look OK but they are usually German style wheel.
Steve
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| posted on June 17th, 2010 at 04:41 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Sides
In the early years, the family resemblance was amazing:
There's also a lot on common between the two company's in more recent times.
- Porsche 914 was jointly designed/developed by VW and Porsche, and apparently in-part as a successor to the Type 1 Karmann Ghia
- Porsche 924 jointly designed by VW and Porsche as a replacement for the 914, and uses VW IRS rear suspension with a VW engine (up front)
- Porsche 944 evolved from the 924, early years used VW IRS rear suspension, then when the 944Turbo came in upgraded with alloy arms that will bolt
directly up to a VW IRS car (Beetle, Type 3 etc.)
- Porsche Cayenne and VW Touareg... basically the same car and running gear, different styling and engine tho obviously
Finally, there's Porsche's strong desire to own VW...in some ways VW was stolen from the Posrche family by the British Army... and just before the
GFC hit there was a very real chance that Porsche was going to fiinally manage it.
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Actually the 924 used a inline water cooled 4 cylinder designed mainly by Porsche with help from vw.
the 914 used same/similar suspension as the vw type 4, the 924, 944 were further developments of this. the 924 and 944 used a rear transaxle and
clutch while engine was in the front coupled via a long tailshaft.
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| posted on June 17th, 2010 at 05:51 PM |
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the off set allows them to fit nice under stock VW guards
Also the weight of and strength of the Alloy wheels is a bonus the lighter the wheel the easier and less force it takes to turn therefore yr car
is slightly quicker and looks good as well
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| posted on June 18th, 2010 at 10:18 AM |
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No, the 924's engine was based on an Audi engine. You are thinking of the 944, which was a completely different Porsche-designed engine, based on
half a 928 V8 and fitted with balance shafts.
The VW/Porsche 914 replaced the Type 3 Karmann Ghia in the VW range, giving that model the distinction of being the first VW model to be discontinued.
The Type 1 Ghia lasted until 1974, and was replaced by the Scirocco.
VW also consulted Porsche for the design of the Type 3 'pancake' cooling system in the early 1960s. The later VW Type 4 engine was also jointly
designed by VW and Porsche, and was used first in the VW 411 and Porsche 914. The 411/412 only used 1700 and 1800cc versions, while the 914 went to
2000cc. All three versions, in detuned versions, were later used in the VW Transporter. The Type 4 engine lasted right up to 1983 in the T3
Transporter.Porsche designed a number of Beetle replacements in the late '60s and early '70s, including one with a mid-mounted flat engine. VW
eventually went with the Audi-based Passat, and the Guiguaro-designed Golf.
This is a great book to read if you want to know the ins and out of early VW history:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Small-Wonder-Amazing-Story-Volkswagen-Beetl-/130394412...
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| posted on June 18th, 2010 at 10:46 AM |
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Joel I think our brothers and sisters in Orange County might question when and who first put fuch's on a dub 
Would be interesting to find that out.
Vicelore - check out the Cal-look forum below for some nice history too.
http://www.cal-look.com/
Just found this image from 1976.
http://www2.cal-look.com/nostalgia/hvw1076.jpg
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| posted on June 18th, 2010 at 11:29 AM |
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An easy way to sum this up is to say Porsche and VWs are very close inbred cousins...
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| posted on July 28th, 2010 at 08:41 PM |
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Also, In 1976, Porsche installed the Type IV derived/914 derived engine into the 912E.
With a capacity of 1970cc and 90 DIN Hp
Compared with the original 912 which had the 356SC derived 1589cc of 90 DIN Hp - (the 356SC had 95DIN Hp.)
and the original the original 911 with the six cylinder boxer of 1991cc and power ranging from 110 DIN HP to 160DIN Hp.
Versions of all of these engines have found their way into various VeeDubs over the years.
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| posted on July 28th, 2010 at 09:29 PM |
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Yes that's right. The 912E was only sold in the USA, and only a smidgen over 2,000 were built. An interesting 'band-aid' model to fill the gap
between the 914 and the 924 in the Porsche chronology. Fancy briefly restarting a model six years after it had finished! And by 1976 the 356 engine
was long gone.
I don't agree with the earlier comment about "in some ways VW was stolen from the Porsche family by the British Army". The Porsche family never had
any ownership of the VW factory; Porsche was commissioned to design the car by the Government, for the Government, and it was built by the
Government-owned Volkswagenwerk. Porsche was paid for his work. Porsche was also paid by the Government to design military vehicles such as the Tiger
and Maus tanks during the war; the Porsche family didn't 'own' those designs either. The British restarted VW from nothing in 1945, and Ferry
Porsche assisted while his father was in a French prison. When the Germans under Heinz Nordhoff took over in 1948, with ownership shared with the
state of Lower Saxony, Volkswagen paid Porsche a commission on every single Beetle that had been built up to that time, and subsequently every one
that was ever built - one reason why Porsche has always been in good financial condition.
Volkswagen helped to fund development of the air-cooled flat-12 Porsche 917 in 1968-69.
Members of the Porsche family such as Ferry, and especially Ferdinand Piech (Ferry's nephew) later, have always sat on the Volkswagen AG board. Piech
was Audi's chairman in the 1980s - he designed the 100 and the quattro - and he was later the chairman of the whole Volkswagen Group. He is STILL a
member of the VW board today, even though he is in his mid 70s now. The Porsche family are worth billions of Euro, and are one of the richest
industrial families in Europe.
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