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| posted on August 31st, 2010 at 06:39 PM |
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Setting Timing 009 Dizzy
Hi
Have bought a 009 dizzy, and fitted a compufire kit into it, will be installing it this weekend, and wanted to know how to go about setting the
timing.
Is it as per normal? (1300 F series engine is 7.5 BTDC)
1.How do I static time with the compufire?
2.Is all in the better way to go? and how do I tell if its all in with a standard pulley?
Its probably not as hard as i'm making it out to be in my head but I just thought I get some help.
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| posted on August 31st, 2010 at 07:26 PM |
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Hi
I dont think you cant static time with electronic ignition, never tried it.
You could safely run about 10 BTDC, measure your pulley circumference then divide by 360, then multply by 23.5 to get a 30 BTDC marking.
Steve
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| posted on August 31st, 2010 at 07:36 PM |
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Hope you marked, or will mark, the crank pulley at the FULL advance point (use the timing light) BEFORE removing the old distributor, Shaun. You can
the set the 009 to the mark. Didn't take long to make the decision to change to the 009.
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| posted on August 31st, 2010 at 07:57 PM |
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Well I thought the 009 can be used on anything after changing from stock so it was sooner or later.
I'll be sure to mark the full advance point before starting the removal, I'll see how I go.
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Shaun
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| posted on August 31st, 2010 at 07:59 PM |
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posted by 1303Steve
I dont think you cant static time with electronic ignition, never tried it.
Steve
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Yeah, i'd have to look into this, maybe with a test light its still possible, normally I just wait for the points to spark (cheers sides).
The other thing is there doesn't appear to me a mark on the dizzy for cylinder 1... can anyone point it out on a 009
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| posted on August 31st, 2010 at 09:24 PM |
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I often static time my 009 with a compufire ignition - no problem. Seems exactly the same as points, except you don't have to set the points gap
first.
From your ole' mate Jeff
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| posted on August 31st, 2010 at 11:45 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by sander288
Well I thought the 009 can be used on anything after changing from stock so it was sooner or later.
I'll be sure to mark the full advance point before starting the removal, I'll see how I go.
Cheers
Shaun
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Hi Shaun,
I always timed mine with a timing lamp at around 3200 rpm using a tachometer.. at maximum advance of 28 - 32 degrees
BTDC... I did it at 32 then 30 then 28.. as different people have different ideas..
Now I have purchased a NEW Bosch SVDA single vacuum dual advance distributor.... and it eats the 009 dissy... lol
so smooth...
I just love to drive it... one toe on the accelerator...
is all it takes... no pushing the accelerator to the floor to get the 009 to advance....
and fuel economy is just great.... much much better...
009 are for engines with lightened flywheels etc...
so, they advance when the engine revs....
the SVDA advances as soon as You touch the accelerator and more vacuum is made... EXCELLENT..
I couldn't go back to a 009...
and they were NEVER used by Volkswagen....
good choice VW...
LEE
check out; aircooled.net in the USA for info...
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| posted on September 1st, 2010 at 07:00 AM |
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Hi lee
Yeah the drivability isn't a concern the motor is pretty much driven flat out of not driven at all... it's becoming a race car.
Jeff, do you use a test light to set it statically?
Cheers
Shaun
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| posted on September 1st, 2010 at 09:48 PM |
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http://www.vw-resource.com/timing_discussion.html
best link for timing, and alot of things actually!
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by sander288
Hi lee
Yeah the drivability isn't a concern the motor is pretty much driven flat out of not driven at all... it's becoming a race car.
Jeff, do you use a test light to set it statically?
Cheers
Shaun
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009s are NOT to be timed statically...
they MUST be timed at Maximum advance....
with a strobe type timing lamp....
whatever the idle ends up... that's it...
Maximum advance is what You want.....
if You are using twin carbs... then the 009 is usually the go..
LEE
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| posted on September 2nd, 2010 at 09:38 AM |
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http://www.hot-spark.com/Hot-Spark-009-VW-Type-I-Pulley-Degree-Template.pdf
nice template for finding the degrees on the pulley
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| posted on September 2nd, 2010 at 09:24 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Jeff, do you use a test light to set it statically?
Cheers
Shaun
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Shaun, I don't use a test light to set the timing, I just set the pulley to where I want it to fire, then rotate the distributor untill I hear the
'click'. I do often check the advance with a timing light though, and so far have not found a problem.
Lee, why is it that 009s are NOT to be timed staticly? Peter Richards always does it that way - he told me NOT to time it with a timing light.
From your ole' mate Jeff
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| posted on September 3rd, 2010 at 02:54 AM |
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Jeff,
Since there may be many variations in your distributor setup (centrifugal weights, spring tensions, limit stops etc. etc.) static timing is only the
start point of total advance - real total advance will only be determined when the centrifugal operation is fully extended as X000 RPM. Indeed,
varying the wieghts, adjusting the springs etc. is exactly the mechanism used to tune the advance curve of a mechanical distributor, so a 'tuned'
009 will have different curve and possibly a different total advance to a 'standard' 009. At 5000 RPM, your engine no longer cares what the static
timing was, it only sees the total advance. So timing with a light will allow you to set maximum total advance accurately, whereas static timing only
determines the starting point.
With vacumm advance distributors things get a bit more complex as manifold vacuum is overlayed on the centrifugal advance system, but that is not an
issue with 009s.
hth
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