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 MaD HoUsE
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| posted on October 7th, 2010 at 11:06 PM |
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hi guys another question. this site proving more valuable then i thought. ok my problem, im making my T3 into a show car i want vw to be seen as cool
and get the respect they deserve from the younger crowd. so i been spending heaps of dosh doing most of the work myself and have just put in a massive
competition sound system with fold down tv n the lot but my alternator is to little and i cant power it all so what can i use that will fit my baby
and power my battery?
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 12:31 AM |
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hi guys another question. this site proving more valuable then i thought. ok my problem, im making my T3 into a show car i want vw to be seen as cool
and get the respect they deserve from the younger crowd. so i been spending heaps of dosh doing most of the work myself and have just put in a massive
competition sound system with fold down tv n the lot but my alternator is too little and i cant power it all so what can i use that will fit my baby
and power my battery?
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As far as I know there are NO alternators to fit type 3 engines
only generators... which don't put out much current..
You may have to use two large batteries...??
which will still be hard for the generator to charge...
Alternators are larger than generators and were never designed to fit the type 3 engine.
If You have fitted a type 1 beetle engine then You can get an alternator for it... 51 or 75 amperes..
as they were fitted to late model beetles..
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PS: its a type 3 .. a T3 is a Kombi as is a T25 etc...
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 06:10 AM |
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You got any pix of you car.
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 07:43 AM |
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I haven't confirmed it yet as I don't have alternator to play with yet. I hypothesis that you can use a type 1 alternator, mount a pulley on the
other end (where the fan would be) and then mount it backwards in the type 3.
And I also recon if it can fit? to install an alternator fan pulley on the original pulley end. That will serve as the cooling for the alternator as
there is no air port like the type 3 generator. it will pull air through the alternator
from belt housing out through the fan on what used to be the front of the alternator.
In case you are wondering, alternators work in both directions of rotation as they are a 3 phase alternating current generator, which is rectified via
the diodes in the rectifier to provide DC.
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 07:43 AM |
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Oh and an alt will be no good for a show car since it needs to be running to charge. You will need to install an inverter, and plug it in to run
everything.
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 07:48 AM |
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inverter? you mean the other way around.
But I think he wants it so it doesn't just die while using the car.
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 08:34 AM |
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One guy here, modded up an alternator to fit, was some custom work.... give him some time he might find this and reply
But don't loose hope. Just cause there was no factory option doesn't mean it can't be retrofitted 
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 09:09 AM |
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inverter? you mean the other way around.
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http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=MP3090&keywords=40+amp+power&...
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 09:40 AM |
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lol 40 amps.
you need ?? well depends on the sound system but most serious systems require anywhere up of 75 amp. I have seen some systems well over 250 amps 
3 alternators just to run the car. Can't remember how many batteries 
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 11:06 AM |
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Sorry man, It was an example.
Heath, just ask this guy about everything. He knows it all
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 12:15 PM |
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theres a few people around that have adapted modern car alternators to fit type3 pancake engines
Im pretty sure mickH or someone on here has pictures somewhere of how they did it
Edit* like so...
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=78941
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 12:28 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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One guy here, modded up an alternator to fit, was some custom work.... give him some time he might find this and reply
But don't loose hope. Just cause there was no factory option doesn't mean it can't be retrofitted
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Not much room in a suitcase engine Chris...
if the cover wasn't over the engine, would be easy to add a couple of alternators, but when the whole lot fits in a suitcase..
not much room...
He could always use a type 1 engine accessories and use a beetle 51 or 75 amp alternator...
or maybe two....
I think subarus have the alternator on top ??
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 12:30 PM |
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Just found this.....
http://www.aircoolednut.com/erkson/ttt/engine/gen2alt.htm
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 01:26 PM |
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thats right, it was Mick H as Joel stated
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 04:52 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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..........im making my T3 into a show car............. but my alternator is to little and i cant power it all.........
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He calls it a T3 and it already has an alternator.....maybe it's a T3 (not a type 3) as is a type 25 wbxr kombi???
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 04:59 PM |
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my alternator is to little
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Don't worry, they say that size doesn't matter.
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 05:00 PM |
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I thought that too Matt, but then I realised its in the type3 section not watercooled ??
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| posted on October 8th, 2010 at 09:54 PM |
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that's an excellent article....
anyone with a type 3 can upgrade to an alternator...
they are dirt cheap at wrecking yards...
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Hey madhouse project sound really interesting I've yet to see a big sound system with screens look good in a classic car they tend but if your
mission is to make young kids like it then that's certainly gun a win points and hey Darryl mcbeth made magnas cool so anything is possible!! Haha...
Any pics or other plans ideas wheels suspension interior body / chassis mods??? I look forward to seeing more sounds like a great project..
Ps here's a pic to show you what I mean about the magna
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2854/4161/7134580001_medium.jpg
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Hey madhouse project sound really interesting I've yet to see a big sound system with screens look good in a classic car they tend but if your
mission is to make young kids like it then that's certainly gun a win points and hey Darryl mcbeth made magnas cool so anything is possible!! Haha...
Any pics or other plans ideas wheels suspension interior body / chassis mods??? I look forward to seeing more sounds like a great project..
Ps here's a pic to show you what I mean about the magna
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2854/4161/7134580001_medium.jpg
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| posted on October 10th, 2010 at 05:02 PM |
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Lots of threads on this at the samba.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=400510
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=335193
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=377832
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=421619&highlight=alternator
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=417192&highlight=alternator
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| posted on October 10th, 2010 at 09:39 PM |
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hey thanks heaps for all the help guys thankfully things dont look so bleak now. i was thinking of making a thread to show you guys what ive been
doing with my car but i wasn't sure if people would think i was an attention seeking newbie so i dunno if you see it you will no its me due to the
big MAD HOUSE sticker, feel free to pull me over and chat
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| posted on October 10th, 2010 at 09:40 PM |
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by the way its a type 3 sorry about the wrong abbreviation
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