| [ Total Views: 1025 | Total Replies: 25 | Thread Id: 87083 ] |
|
|
 sander288
Custom Title Time!
"Bolt-on Master"
Posts: 1404
Threads: 183
Registered: August 26th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Norman Park, QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: This is my bug. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
|
| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 09:11 AM |
|
|
Dyno Tuning
Whats the cost of getting a dyno run?
and does anyone know a good place to go in Sydney?
Not to far from the CBD, artarmon?
Cheers
Shaun
|
|
|
Camo
A.k.a.: Kev
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1936
Threads: 209
Registered: October 29th, 2007
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney - Liverpool area
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
|
| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 10:46 AM |
|
|
I think you may be in for a shock, as I was.
I wanted to get my engine tuned before it went in the car and you are looking at $800 upwards.
Kev
|
|
|
Sides
A.k.a.: Dave Sidery
Veteran Volks Folk
Posts: 2220
Threads: 59
Registered: May 20th, 2007
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Need... more... shed... time...
|
| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 11:26 AM |
|
|
Don't know about down in Sydney, but in Bris dyno time is usually around $120 per hour including the guy who operates it and does the tuning.
You can possibly get it a bit cheaper if you're prepared to do outside of normal hours and if you do all the work on your own car... like say
$80-$100 per hour.
btw - since when is Artarmon near the CBD ???
VWDCQ vice pres & web dude - vwdcqinc.org.au
Join a car club - get car peeps
My toys
'70 Hillclimb Bug 'Jezebel' w/- Haltech EFI - http://bit.ly/VwTNtQ
'60 KG Coupe - resto kinda started
01 New Beetle - gf's car, but I turn the spanners |
|
|
Phil74Camper
Son of Jim - Creator of Good
Head in the Clouds
Posts: 2703
Threads: 193
Registered: August 28th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 11:44 AM |
|
|
Shaun - Google is your friend. I tried 'Dyno Tuning Artarmon' and this one came up:
http://www.truelocal.com.au/business/european-service-and-tyre-centre/artarmon
|
|
|
Sides
A.k.a.: Dave Sidery
Veteran Volks Folk
Posts: 2220
Threads: 59
Registered: May 20th, 2007
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Need... more... shed... time...
|
| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 11:49 AM |
|
|
Heh heh... I want a rubber stamp with "google is you friend" so I can stamp it on ppl here at work who come and bug me for simple questions all the
time !!!
Not a shot at you Shaun... I work in IT, where knowing how to research stuff from scratch is one of those "learn how to walk" type of things....
VWDCQ vice pres & web dude - vwdcqinc.org.au
Join a car club - get car peeps
My toys
'70 Hillclimb Bug 'Jezebel' w/- Haltech EFI - http://bit.ly/VwTNtQ
'60 KG Coupe - resto kinda started
01 New Beetle - gf's car, but I turn the spanners |
|
|
Smiley
A.k.a.: Daniel Stephens
Veteran Volks Folk
Posts: 2125
Threads: 110
Registered: October 29th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Yeppoon, Central Queensland
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Synchro'd
|
| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 12:13 PM |
|
|
It shouldn't cost a great deal just to Dyno 'Run' your car, it's when you get them to start tuning it too when it starts costing money. You should
give them a call and ask them how much it would be to just run your car up on the dyno and see how much t makes.
And don't forget to post up your figures!!
Smiley 
If you said I was a Volkswagen man, you'd be right.
|
|
|
colin
Fahrvergnugen
Posts: 984
Threads: 82
Registered: March 7th, 2007
Member Is Offline
Location: Tamworth
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 01:08 PM |
|
|
Dyno tuning is something everybody with a performance engine should do.
Whether it be mild or wild. Why would you spend thousands of dollars on an engine only to get 70,80 or maybe 85% of it,s horsepower.
The person who does my dyno work charges me around $100.00 per hour. This is worth every cent. The last time my car was dynoed we found 18rwhp in the
mid range.
Try finding that amount from buying parts.
I would recommend a VW specialist for your dyno work. One who comes to mind is CBB in Penrith.
Cheers Col
|
|
|
sander288
Custom Title Time!
"Bolt-on Master"
Posts: 1404
Threads: 183
Registered: August 26th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Norman Park, QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: This is my bug. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
|
| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 06:00 PM |
|
|
I should of googled Artarmon, I just googled Dyno Tuning Sydney!
Not to worry,
Sides, I say near CBD because I live in paddo, but then said Artarmon as it's on the way to work in Epping.
Cheers
Shaun
|
|
|
vlad01
Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
Posts: 4270
Threads: 109
Registered: June 3rd, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: Kyneton, VIC
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Side ways
|
| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 09:33 PM |
|
|
I say its a must. you can kill your engine over the long or even short term 
Detonation! can't always know if its happening. unless you ECU has a knock sensor attached to its inputs.
AF and ignition map are EXTREMELY important! to the well being of your engine.
What average person would go. Oh I heard crackling inside the cylinders at 4000 and 6200 rpm at 80% throttle at 600m above sea level at 26oC ambient.
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE |
|
|
cnfabo
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1353
Threads: 140
Registered: April 15th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 11:07 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by colin
Dyno tuning is something everybody with a performance engine should do.
Whether it be mild or wild. Why would you spend thousands of dollars on an engine only to get 70,80 or maybe 85% of it,s horsepower.
The person who does my dyno work charges me around $100.00 per hour. This is worth every cent. The last time my car was dynoed we found 18rwhp in the
mid range.
Try finding that amount from buying parts.
wow colin, thats alot of hp.was it running shit before that find ?? i had my engine dyno'd, but they gave me no info afterwards at all,only the
dizzy needed re curving and my jetting was fine..they did not tell me what AFR i was running....
I would recommend a VW specialist for your dyno work. One who comes to mind is CBB in Penrith.
Cheers Col
|
|
|
|
AUSSIE_MICK
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 205
Threads: 5
Registered: January 25th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: liverpool
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Red
|
| posted on November 11th, 2010 at 05:17 AM |
|
|
Custom Bugs and Buses Penrith
http://www.cbbvw.com/
|
|
|
sander288
Custom Title Time!
"Bolt-on Master"
Posts: 1404
Threads: 183
Registered: August 26th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Norman Park, QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: This is my bug. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
|
| posted on November 11th, 2010 at 07:43 AM |
|
|
I rang the Artarmon mob, they don't have a dyno! 
I think I'll just take it to CBB, I'll need to get an unregistered permit, bugger a trailer hire again (worst trailer ever!)
Cheers
Shaun
|
|
|
colin
Fahrvergnugen
Posts: 984
Threads: 82
Registered: March 7th, 2007
Member Is Offline
Location: Tamworth
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on November 11th, 2010 at 10:08 AM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by cnfabo
Not really running badly it just identified a area were i could improve my mid range hp output, which was the ignition.
I went to MSD and wow 18hp.
But the point is without a dyno result you are only guessing.
Col
|
|
|
|
 vw54
Super Administrator
Always Waiting 4 Friday
Posts: 16723
Threads: 378
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Sunny Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Oval resto ongoing
|
| posted on November 11th, 2010 at 12:30 PM |
|
|
Shaun
What have you done to the engine do u really need a Dyno tune is it a full race engine or a mild stocker ???
if your not running high compression and big carbies i wouldnt bother
Is the car playing up oir are u thinking you want to try n find more HP
|
|
|
Sides
A.k.a.: Dave Sidery
Veteran Volks Folk
Posts: 2220
Threads: 59
Registered: May 20th, 2007
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Need... more... shed... time...
|
| posted on November 11th, 2010 at 12:36 PM |
|
|
I'm with Birchall here I thnk... if this is with your current 1300 donk Shaun then seriously, there's prolly better places those $$$ could be
spent.
Don't get hung up on FVee guys telling you you have to dyno.... they've already got very nicely sorted engines to start with.
Like Col's explained, dyno'ing is a diagnosis tool really that can tell you where to make changes... the dyno didn't give him 18hp, it was the
ignition system change that the dyno showed him was needed.
And yeah... I think you know a list of changes for that engine already...
VWDCQ vice pres & web dude - vwdcqinc.org.au
Join a car club - get car peeps
My toys
'70 Hillclimb Bug 'Jezebel' w/- Haltech EFI - http://bit.ly/VwTNtQ
'60 KG Coupe - resto kinda started
01 New Beetle - gf's car, but I turn the spanners |
|
|
vw54
Super Administrator
Always Waiting 4 Friday
Posts: 16723
Threads: 378
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Sunny Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Oval resto ongoing
|
| posted on November 11th, 2010 at 12:49 PM |
|
|
give us a break down of yr engine first of all
|
|
|
sander288
Custom Title Time!
"Bolt-on Master"
Posts: 1404
Threads: 183
Registered: August 26th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Norman Park, QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: This is my bug. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
|
| posted on November 11th, 2010 at 03:04 PM |
|
|
I was really thinking of using this dyno run just as a baseline, for a before and after comparison. As in the new year I'll be putting twin port
heads on and a bigger carb
break down of the engine... as it is now
Internals: Stock 1300 VW
Heads and Valvetrain: Stock VW
Oil: Stock VW with addition of Pobjoy anti surge sump.
Induction: Stock Solex 30 pict
Ignition: 009, compufire module, W8AC plugs, stock leads and coils.
Exhaust: 1 3/8 Extractor, (VVDS Mild steel one)
Package is good for about 5550rpm and will pull hard to about 110 or 115 in 3rd gear.
Proposed immediate changes include (new year and before the Nationals hopefully)
Cb Performance PICT manifold
twin port heads, with port and polish
tweaked 34 pict carb larger venturi and jetted for more power instead of economy
hot-dog type muffler (mainly ground clearence reasons)
If funds and time allow, I would love to have the engine rebuilt with a hotter cam and lightened flywheel and counterweighted crank with all the parts
balanced etc.
but the above will do me if not.
If the heads can be really opened up i'd love to put some ratio rockers with an FK can (FK45 or FK 44) on and add some 40 or 44 IDF's to get some
real revs and flow happening as well as a larger 1 1/2 inch exhaust
I know I should just bore it out to get more power, but I'm making the car for tarmac rallies in the limited modifications class so capacity isnt
really cost effective to increase. If there wasn't a budget for it I would bore out to 80mm and add some custom JE pistons!!
Hope that helps
|
|
|
SuperOwen
Fahrvergnugen
Posts: 868
Threads: 67
Registered: January 18th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on November 11th, 2010 at 07:59 PM |
|
|
Waste of time and money, just drive it up and down the road!!! With faster higher hp cars its hard to find anywhere on the road to give them a good
full load run for tuning, and the engine is far closer to the tuning edge.
|
|
|
 Bizarre
Super Moderator
The artist formerly known as blue74l
Posts: 12780
Threads: 734
Registered: August 25th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Abbotsford, Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on November 11th, 2010 at 08:14 PM |
|
|
mmmm............I am over dyno's
I have taken mine back to the same one but the last time I had a ridiculously differnt reading
After a bit of asking round I found that about 4 different cars at the same time had scratched their heads as they had done serious improvement only
to get lower readings
At $85 for a single power run - I will just save the $$$ and put it in the motor
That said - an A/F reading is good value
A couple of dyno runs and you can have your own full time meter set up in your car
Futue te ipsum!!!
|
|
|
Craig Torrens
A.k.a.: Craig Torrens
Scirocco Rare
6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion
Posts: 8040
Threads: 347
Registered: January 10th, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Time to go Salt lake racing, and actually achieve a result.
|
| posted on November 11th, 2010 at 08:44 PM |
|
|
Don't waste your money.............buy a Techedge Wideband, and tune yourself.
|
|
|
vw54
Super Administrator
Always Waiting 4 Friday
Posts: 16723
Threads: 378
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Sunny Sydney
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Oval resto ongoing
|
| posted on November 12th, 2010 at 05:38 AM |
|
|
Its a STOCK engine a dyno will probally give you a HP reading of 25 to 30 at the rear wheels
Spend you money on something worth while
A Dyno wont get you more HP
Wait till you increase the engine capacity so over 2L and have dual carbies or Turbo or injection
|
|
|
sander288
Custom Title Time!
"Bolt-on Master"
Posts: 1404
Threads: 183
Registered: August 26th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Norman Park, QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: This is my bug. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
|
| posted on November 12th, 2010 at 07:13 AM |
|
|
Cheers Guys,
It's too much hassle to get the car to a dyno anyway now that i've let the rego slip.
Thanks
Shaun
|
|
|
RISKY4LIFE
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 308
Threads: 5
Registered: July 4th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on November 12th, 2010 at 07:11 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by sander288
Cheers Guys,
It's too much hassle to get the car to a dyno anyway now that i've let the rego slip.
Thanks
Shaun
|
you could of just said you guy's are right it was a silly idea anways 
speaking of silly ideas where is colonel mustard
where you at ??
|
|
|
colonel mustard
Son of Jim - Creator of Good
Posts: 2829
Threads: 51
Registered: February 27th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Black
|
| posted on November 13th, 2010 at 10:54 AM |
|
|
Hey hey Risky
|
|
|
RISKY4LIFE
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 308
Threads: 5
Registered: July 4th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on November 13th, 2010 at 11:49 AM |
|
|
lol have you been hiding?
was thinking you must have joined a civic forum 
|
|
|
colonel mustard
Son of Jim - Creator of Good
Posts: 2829
Threads: 51
Registered: February 27th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Black
|
| posted on November 14th, 2010 at 12:31 AM |
|
|
just beeen doing some other stuff. don't tell everyone, but mustard is looking for a long-ish term storage home, and my bank account is looking for
money for a different car. a civic? sure, why not.
|
|
|
