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| posted on February 7th, 2011 at 03:35 PM |
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rs ej20t 1302 update mounting radiator
I thought its about time to start a thread on my car, this is my 1st real project car as such so I thought it was a good idea to start 1/2 way so I
bought an unfinished project 18 months ago, so far not much has changed except my ideas.
Quick specs are:
Black 71 super, with aero guards
Rs liberty ej20t, almost all the conversion stuff is done
radiator up front, stainless steel pipes running in the heater channels
disc brakes and suspension I believe is a V-Force kit, adjustable coilovers, alpha brembos front, pbr rear, discs in porsche stud pattern
seam welded chassis and gutters removed
kafer style rear strut brace, single side plate gear box
Thats most of the major stuff for now.
My 1st question to everybody is an engineering one,
I'd like to run some large wheels, the trouble is beetles have small track, what Ive got so far from the engineer is the wheels and most importantly
the offset needs to match the stub axles of the vehicle they came off.
for example 944 trailing arms and stub axles = 944 standard wheels =no prob for engineering
prob is I dont like standard 944 flat dish type wheels much, for my car anyway. I have some fuchs deep dish 3 piece wheels not sure which porsche they
fit, or id like to run some porsche turbo wheels or similar. So how have other people overcome this, what was the size and offset of the wheels and
which model porsche stub axles did u use?
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| posted on February 7th, 2011 at 04:50 PM |
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If you are running alloy 944 arms they came with wheels ranging from et 23 to et 52.3. That gives you a bit of range. In NSW you can go +or- 12.5MM
from there so et11 to et65. The front is the problem.
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| posted on February 14th, 2011 at 11:59 PM |
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Thanks birdman for the reply, I ve checked with my engineer and in sa you can go +/- 13mm. There is alot more wheels then I thought with in that
range. So I'll keep shopping for now.
At the moment the car is in having a few things checked, if the engine all checks out and wiring was done properly (had a bad experince with that long
story) it should be running soon.
I'll try and post a pic not sure how it will turn out,
Also I plan on changing the radiator set up so I dont need to have the holes in the bonnet.
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 07:55 AM |
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Hi
Cant wait to see more on this car. Its been proved many times that you don't need big holes in the front of the car to keep them cool, after all it
gives the game away.
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 08:58 AM |
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This is true - a lot of the cooling can be done from the pipes under the car depending on what they are made from.
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 09:33 AM |
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Thanks Jak and Steve, Your cars are awesome (including your old yellow bug Steve) and where a big inspiration to get one myself, and I agree with you
Steve about giving the game up.
At the moment it has a huge radiator it couldn't be any bigger mounted on an angle, because this project started back in early 2000 ish I guess the
1st owner was trying to get it as cool as possible.
I'll have a look for some more pics, but I've lost a few with an iphoto problem. I'll take some when the car comes back too.
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 09:49 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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This is true - a lot of the cooling can be done from the pipes under the car depending on what they are made from.
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Yeah I have heard this too but my water pipes are stainless steel and run through the heater channels, It's a really neat job I hope it doesn't
cause any probs down the track, I've also heard an oil cooler is going to help run things cooler and assisted a smaller radiator, which I'll look at
when I change radiators.
On a separate note it currently has an air to air intercooler underneath a GT2 style rear wing (like Steves) which I don't particularly like (sorry
just not a big wing fan myself) I've picked up an rs liberty water to air and heat exchanger as a plan but I really want to copy or similar to what
Mick58 did with his intercooler setup, might use Frozenboost.com as a source anyone heard or used there stuff. I've had two good opinions so far..
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 10:48 AM |
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This is true - a lot of the cooling can be done from the pipes under the car depending on what they are made from.
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Yeah I have heard this too but my water pipes are stainless steel and run through the heater channels, It's a really neat job I hope it doesn't
cause any probs down the track
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Inside the heaterchannels may be neat and safe but it's gonna make the inside of your car like an oven in summer.
People go so big the radiators for no reason, I saw one subi bug with a VL commodore radiator 
With the rad in the front and 38mm pipe mines got triple the original coolant capacity plus the stainless lines underneath in the road draft do alot
of the cooling.
My rad is only a tiny thing out of a 1.3-1.5L alfa but even on these couple of 40c days we've just had it's coped fine even with a/c condensor
heating it up.
Trick is to get good air flow through it but then making sure the heat gets away as well.
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 11:21 AM |
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Thanks Jak your set up has been tried well tested and proven to work really good!! I'll see how it goes when the ball gets rolling. Do you have a pic
of how your WAIC is mounted did you cut through the fire wall?
That Plazmaman WAIC sounds good pit more $$$ compared to other options I know u get what u pay for but funding needs to spread along way theres so
much left to finish.
Also haven't decided weather A/C will be good too, so not sure if there will be enough room for all those coolers, heat exchanger and condensor in
the tyre well?? One slow step at a time I guess...
Cheers Joel VL radiator thats nothing mines off a truck  nah sounds
similar, Do u think theres a way of insulating my heater channels before the carpet goes in to improve inside temp? I guess if it gets to bad I can
always bi pass them easy enough..
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 12:45 PM |
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90 DEG hot pipes in side the car 
you only need a small radiator & hole.
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 01:15 PM |
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And a lower ride height 
Theres a few different stick on sound deadeners on the market that have heat shield too so you can reduce noise as well as heat by sticking it to the
heater channels
If it's already setup and running suck it and see, if it's too hot then look at running the pipes underneath
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 03:18 PM |
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Yeah I agree Joel I'll wait and see how it goes 1st,
Thanks for the pic Jak I thought that would be the way to do that too, at the moment my manifold is reversed and I couldn't see a way it would go in
under a standard boot lid, its to wide for the boot hinges. So far my engineer knows about the water pipes and doesn't have a problem... yet. But I
guess it can get interesting a bit closer to registration.
Added a couple of pics its about all I have at the moment.
I'm still up in the air with the interior, I don't think I'll use the yellow seats they're a bit wide for me, I cant exactly have better buckets
in my daily. The dash wasn't trimmed very well and has a few imperfections however I like the shape, I'll add some air vents for de-misters maybe a
couple of other gauges etc.
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 03:20 PM |
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| posted on February 15th, 2011 at 11:05 PM |
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More pics, more pics. This thing looks like a beast and has a lovely stance.
I can see some nice custom touches, 1 piece window kit and M3 mirrors and some phat Fuchs.
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| posted on March 8th, 2011 at 10:04 PM |
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I've got my eye on some new wheels and currently calculating if they will fit, with out the car here to measure at the moment, I thought I'd just
ask since alot of people would have tried before...
The wheels are 18 x 8 et 49 front and 18 x 9.5 et 52 rear
The offset is ok for engineering but will they hit the bump stops in the rear or the struts at the front (which are narrow coilovers from v force)?
Anyone have similar size with or without room to spare? Any help would be great thanks.
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| posted on March 9th, 2011 at 10:16 AM |
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Hi
I have 18x8 ET 40 on my new 1303 with the same struts as you, they are very close, so ET 49 would be worse as you suspected.
On my old 1302 I ran 17x9 with 14.5 ET. the 18x9.5 52 ET would be much closer to the inner part, by about 44 mm over my old 17s, you could make this
up by going 1986 944 rear brakes, they gave me roughly 42 mm per side track increase.
What does the engineer feel about spacers?
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| posted on March 9th, 2011 at 12:25 PM |
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18x9.5 +18 under aeros, but no beading
thats the inner clearance to everything, if you can fit anything with a higher offset with steel arms id be amazed
keen to see more of this though...
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| posted on March 9th, 2011 at 01:16 PM |
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Whats going on with your tyres???
they don't seem to have a curved on the side wall???| Quote: | Originally posted by STIDUB
18x9.5 +18 under aeros, but no beading
thats the inner clearance to everything, if you can fit anything with a higher offset with steel arms id be amazed
keen to see more of this though...
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| posted on March 9th, 2011 at 05:10 PM |
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I think what you're trying to say is that the tyres are too narrow for the width of the wheel hence the tree and relating tyre wall lean out to the
rim edge instead of away from the rim edge like normal?
there are lots of considerations for this
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| posted on March 9th, 2011 at 05:11 PM |
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Whats going on with your tyres???
they don't seem to have a curved on the side wall???
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Dontchu know anyfing?
Stretched is where its at
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| posted on March 9th, 2011 at 05:53 PM |
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For those old enough to remember Waltons department stores, they would have mag wheels on display with a cross ply tyre mounted with that sort of
stretch.
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| posted on March 9th, 2011 at 08:51 PM |
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Those wheels are just waiting for some gutter rash.
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Thanks Steve, so it seams the only way the fronts will fit is with spacers, when u say very close 9mm extra might make it?? (I'll ask my engineer
about spacers)
And thanks STIDUB for the pics, bit hard to tell if there's about 32mm of clearance there but it looks pretty close cheers! Also just wondering what
size tyre they are?
If I take the path of 944 trailing arms I believe the alloy turbo ones are the ones that widen the track the most, can the discs and calipers I have
be adapted to these, its just they appear to be brand new? Is it possible the disc brake conversion on my car is wider then stock? If any of this has
been covered (with pics) a link would be great! I'll try searching after this post and see what I can learn.
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Forgot to update...... Wiring on the car is still a mess but everything thing seems to be going to the right places now, the engine has turned over
(I'm yet to hear) but I needed a new ignition
switch. The idle control valve is missing too I think it was removed to fit the intercooler so I need to pick up that this week, and the mechanic said
the starter motor works a little hard to turn it over. Are there any options to replace it with or is this something you put up with with this
conversion?
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from rim to trailing arm was about 15/20mm from memory - keep in mind you have 10/15mm for bolts to squeeze in there too, the outer edge was JUST
under the edge of the guard too, add beading & it would of sat under just fine, limits your toe adjustment options though
tyres were 235/35s i think, or 40s, they are long gone now 
your wheel width & offset will change slightly to everyone elses depending on the discs & caliper bracket mounted on the trailing arm, to be
more driveable im looking at going 9" +22 ish on the rear & 7 +12 on the front, sounds like my fronts are pretty different to yours though, but
same strut, ive gone my way to be sure im not limiting steering angles so the clearance to the strut is HUGE, for referance that same 18x9.5 +18 fits
my fronts with about... 5mm to the spring, tyre stretch worked out to be the exact match to the bend in the sway bar at full lock
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Thanks jak so maybe mine just needs a recon I'll see how it is when I get it back...
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Thanks jak so maybe mine just needs a recon I'll see how it is when I get it back...
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check the starter bush
http://www.justkampersaustralia.com/shop/beetle/original-parts/vehicle-electr...
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Hi
If you can find one a semi auto starter is a little stronger and doesn't need the bell housing bush.
My front tyres wouldn't have 9 mm clearance. I saw a car that was engneered and it had spacers actually welded to wheel, your engineer may allow
this
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| posted on March 10th, 2011 at 11:19 AM |
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A healthy stock vw starter will be fine with a turbo motor.
They have very low compression similar to a stock vw engine (8.0)
Its the N/A engines that are harder on the stock starters.
My starter of unknown age (untouched in 11 years since I've owned it) was coping with my EJ22 which has 9.7CR and years of my 1776 and 1835 engines
at 8.8 and 9.2 but I replaced it with a semi-auto starter like Steve mentioned.
Turns over much quicker when hot and no more bushing to worry about.
They are a factory hi-torque starter.
THe other option is fit a subaru starter motor with a cranky kit.
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Hi
If you can find one a semi auto starter is a little stronger and doesn't need the bell housing bush.
My front tyres wouldn't have 9 mm clearance. I saw a car that was engneered and it had spacers actually welded to wheel, your engineer may allow
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hi steve, welded spacers to wheels...do u have a pic of that mate...
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