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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 04:49 PM |
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**URGENT** Rivet in Carby **URGENT**
Hey all, I'm about to rebuild a carby to go onto my Baja. I just noticed that it has a small pop rivet in the main butterfly.
Is there meant to be a hole there?
Should I remove the rivet or just leave it?
Answers ASAP cause I want to get this done this arvo.
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 05:00 PM |
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my 34 pict got a small hole like that in the auto choke butterly at top...
the throttle butterfly (from memory) had a dimple that was small and round but not a full hole again from memory. whether thats any relevance to the
other carbs.
maybe theres more info in these old training vids:
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 05:06 PM |
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maybe the last person to rebuild it put the auto choke butterfly in the main throttle butterflies position (perhaps original butterfly damaged or
misplaced??)...
and used a pop rivet to fill in the autochoke hole to replicate the original throttle butterfly.
all air bypass from the sealed throttle butteryfly should come from the idle jet.
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 05:18 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by bajachris88
maybe the last person to rebuild it put the auto choke butterfly in the main throttle butterflies position (perhaps original butterfly damaged or
misplaced??)...
and used a pop rivet to fill in the autochoke hole to replicate the original throttle butterfly.
all air bypass from the sealed throttle butteryfly should come from the idle jet.
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The plates are different sizes, and shapes, and bolt spacing. Thanks though.
I just had a look at another carb that I have here and it has a small hole in the butterfly, looks factory. I'm going to drill the rivet and remove
it, because I can't remove the plate from the shaft otherwise.
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 06:19 PM |
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If my memory seves me correctly this is one of the tricks that people do to overcome the "flat spot" that is experienced when you fit a 009 dizzy
to a engine with a 34pict carby. among other things.
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 06:20 PM |
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It may have been modified to run with a 009 distributer?
see here http://www.aircooledtech.com/34pict3_modification/
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 06:28 PM |
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My car has a 009 on it. Should I solder the hole up?
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 06:31 PM |
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how did it run before?
even if you removed it they prob drilled the hole out to get the rivet to fit?
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 06:46 PM |
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posted by RISKY4LIFE
how did it run before?
even if you removed it they prob drilled the hole out to get the rivet to fit?
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Never had it fitted. I have been running a 1300 SP with a 31pict carb and 009.
Engine going in is a 1600 TP with this 34 carb and the same 009 dissy.
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 06:49 PM |
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If you're gonna run a 009 either leave it or silver solder the hole up.
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 06:56 PM |
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It is indeed a method of curing the dreaded flat spot when using the 34pict/009 distributor. I had a massive flat spot just off idle on my 1776 using
the above combo. Soldered up the hole and smoothed it and bingo! No flat spot.
Its got something to do with the position of the idle port which is near the hole. Filling the hole changes the flow of the port, as set out in
several techincal articles on the subject. The modification causes the engine to run rich on idle, but soon after you open the throttle you go off
the idle port and the thing runs as designed to do. I have noticed no difference in consumption or any ill effects after 2 years running this
system.
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Special Air Service
If my memory seves me correctly this is one of the tricks that people do to overcome the "flat spot" that is experienced when you fit a 009 dizzy
to a engine with a 34pict carby.
among other things.
Cheers
Brendan
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Hi Brendan
change to an SVDA distributor.... throw away the 009...
I fitted a new Bosch SVDA last year and the difference is amazing...
as soon as You touch the throttle the vacuum pulls the distributor advance and it just keeps going...
AS SMOOTH AS.... Unreal....
If You drove a single carb beetle with an SVDA then went to a 009
You would chuck the 009 away... I did...
as the 009 distributor cannot advance until You get revs and
the only way You can do that is pump in Fuel...
IMHO.... a Single Vacuum Dual Advance Distributor is how
it should be....
Lee
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 07:25 PM |
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Cool, thanks for the tips gents.
Do I have to use silver solder, or is electrical solder sufficient?
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 07:51 PM |
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Definately silver solder, way to big and under too extreme conditions for electrical solder to hold out.
It's about a 4mm hole from the factory, they take a 1/8" rivet loosely.
Unusual to see a carb that still has stock studs and no helicoils.
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 07:52 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Definately silver solder, way to big and under too extreme conditions for electrical solder to hold out.
It's about a 4mm hole from the factory, they take a 1/8" rivet loosely.
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No worries, I'll run with it as is for the weekend and I'll get one done at work and swap it in next week.
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| posted on March 17th, 2011 at 10:00 PM |
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Please don't solder the hole up - the rivet does just fine - if it is a closed end style rivet - I use stainless rivets - if it ain't, there is a
chance that the head of the pin, which gets left in the rivet, can come loose and go into the engine and leave the butterfly with a smaller hole
anyway.
The hole was part of the attempt by VW to comply with the new clean air laws, back then. The butterfly adjustment was backed fully off and the dizzy
had both advance and retard vacuum (the retard hose should be removed and the take-off on the carb blocked off). Tuning then reverts to the previously
standard method of adjusting the butterfly for initial idle speed as well as the big screw for bypass idle fine tuning and the smaller one - or was it
the other way around? - (which was supposed to be a firm factory setting) for mixture control.
I suppose, if the current rego checks included testing clean-air provisions, that all of this, including drilling out the rivet would need to be
presented as standard, at rego test time.
You usually see a 009 in there, replacing the dual vacuum job - I personally detest 009s - think that they belong on constant rev industrial or full
blown racing cars - think that they are just a lazy, compromise option for a road car - they are only just a little better than a dizzy with the
advance mechanism disabled totally - as in some cars with 100% LPG fitted. The early Kombi "Blue Screamer" - .031, I think, is much better - as well
as any of the 356/912, early Alfas, Volvo and several others which I forget.
It is possible that clean air checks 'may' be part of the new rego checks criteria being currently (March 2011) considered - later 1600s would
struggle to pass without all of the old clean air junk reinstalled (including the much later dual heater exchange manifold/muffler).
My approach has been to install a Fish, which has better efficiencies in exhaust quality/fuel consumption/power, depending upon how you choose to have
it tuned on a particular day.
A "clean-air" rego check would be a far more effective method of chasing the old bangers off our roads, than that $2000 rebate process of recent
times.
Leave the rivet there - much easier to remove, if forced to, one day. Don't throw ANY of that old 'clean air' stuff away - keep it in a box at the
back of the shed.
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