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 scotta
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59 Karmann Cabriolet
Hi,
First post in the forum but I have been lurking for a while. I have found a 59 Karmann Cab which has been imported from California.
I was hoping for some feed back. A mamoth task to restore or a worth project? I was thinking of a RHD conversion and maybe an IRS rear and ball joint
front end.
Feedback and comments much appreciated.
Thanks
Scott
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scotta
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 08:32 AM |
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A few more pics
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 08:35 AM |
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looks like an oval window but that would be wrong for a 59..??
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 08:46 AM |
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Very nice find,get it out of the weather before its to late,the back window looks right for a karmman to me.
cheers shane.
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 09:06 AM |
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looks good. where are you located scott.
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 09:10 AM |
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as vwmad said that is a cabrio back window & get it under storage even if you don't resto it too good to rust away.
p.s. if you want to move it on pm me.
cheers wally
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 05:13 PM |
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Thanks for the comments guys. The floor halves are shot so would be looking to either replace the floors or a whole new refurbed pan. What would be
the easist way to do a RHD conversion? I'm thinking a donor RHD dash...
Hood is totally shot. Thinking of sourcing one from the US unless anyone knows someone is Oz that can supply?
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the hood will need a lot of TLC
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 05:32 PM |
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The donor RHD dash is the way to go. If you get hold of a RHD ball-joint pan, the RHD conversion is almost done.
Chuck's Convertibles [USA] is where I got most of my bits [mine's a '56 cabriolet], and although Chuck is not the cheapest, he really knows his
stuff. Make sure he knows it's a RHD that you are doing.
Please cover it up!!!!!!!
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 05:34 PM |
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If your looking at doing a right hand drive conversion i have a body shell that would suit what you need for $100,depends on your location i guess
???
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 05:35 PM |
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if you want opinions, mine is leave it l/h/d... itll be as gay as 2 dads with a rhd conversion and same for b/j and irs.... i dont see why you would?
maybe your not the right person for this project.....
it a 50+ year old car and you wanna go cutting up the dash and changing all its running gear? ill swamp you a 1972 beetle for this thing if thats what
you want... it rhd and b/j and irs and ill even cut the roof off for no extra charge.
do it some justice and restore it as is... maybe a narrowed linkpin beam and some adjustable spring plates then call it done as far as running gear...
ive drivien many lhd cars and after 5 minutes of driving you completely forgret your shifting with you right hand 
thats my feedback otherwise a freaking cool project... and i wish i had one
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 07:35 PM |
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Absolutely get into it - a great project, though be aware that these can be expensive projects. As far as the LHD / RHD argument, some people just
don't want, or feel comfortable driving a LHD car. A good RHD conversion won't affect value - a crappy one would. I wouldn't suggest a narrowed
beam if you're wanting to improve handling. I'd be personally reluctant to make any drastic modifications to it - these early ones are becoming
harder to find.
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| posted on June 11th, 2011 at 11:53 PM |
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LHD isn't too bad and you do get used to it until you go to order your Macca's at the drive through or grab your ticket out the machine when parking
in the city 
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with converting, but must stress, it HAS to be done right!!! My mates in the U.S are doing the opposite and
converting their lefties to righties. It won't effect resale (not that you would want to sell it), after all we live in a RHD society, only a select
few would go out of their way to purchase a Lefty. Its a personal thing. I love lowered dubs, where I often get chastised for doing it as that isn't
stock! Pffft, make it yours, own it, love it.
As for the rear window glass, that is correct, it isn't oval vert glass. Oval vert glass has even less height to it. You seem to have all the hard to
get parts there, it's definitely a good starter. Do your research on the samba.com, plenty of info on their for you.
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 09:39 AM |
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Of course it will effect resale as it want be the same car ( as body no's) anymore ( not factory anymore)
I drove a chevy around for years left hand hook , that is part of owning a car like that , yes it becomes easy .
That car restore properly is want it deserves and you will have a got investment forever .
Then, it is a collectors dream car .
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 10:05 AM |
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Another thought on the left verus the right conversion.
How often do you think you would drive it once finished???
IF the answer is probably not that much then if it were to stay left hand drive is it really that much of an issue??
As for the maccas problem,.. take a friend!!!
My vote would be save the money on RHD conversion and put it into other areas of the restoration,.. these things tend to cost alot more then
anticipated.
And Finally,.. If it was a great restoration and you had to sell it down the road,.. there are more people with more money in the USA,.. maybe it
would find it's way back there.
But then again what would I know,.. I like vw's
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 10:14 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vwmad
Very nice find,get it out of the weather before its to late,the back window looks right for a karmman to me.
cheers shane.
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I should have said was an "oval era" rear window. I thought the cabriolet also got a larger rear window when the beetle did?
$11k to much for all of this work??
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posted by Dak-A-Tak
Of course it will effect resale as it want be the same car ( as body no's) anymore ( not factory anymore)
I drove a chevy around for years left hand hook , that is part of owning a car like that , yes it becomes easy .
That car restore properly is want it deserves and you will have a got investment forever .
Then, it is a collectors dream car .
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Most people wouldnt be as fussy about body numbers, as not all vehicles have original pans either. As cars get older is does get more difficult to
find vehicles that are all original without repairs and replacements made.
Bugsandoil: As for restoring a car and not driving it? I honestly cant understand the point in it. A car should be enjoyed,
especially once the effort has gone into getting it to your liking. Could never understand Trailor Queens, oooh pretty, but not practical. Cars have
wheels for a reason, to move. Drive and enjoy, no better feeling.
Scotta: Rear window sizes changed about three times. The rear window grew about 45% from 57-58, and from about late 64 onwards it got
bigger once more.
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 11:17 AM |
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$11k to much for all of this work??
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Are you asking whether $11k is a fair purchase price or enough to restore it??
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 12:23 PM |
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$11k to much for all of this work??
Scott
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Are you asking whether $11k is a fair purchase price or enough to restore it??
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Nope, $11k for what you see and a lot more to spend to get back on the road...
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 12:30 PM |
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11k tell him he is dreaming
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 12:44 PM |
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11 k sounds like a lot. I am no expert on these but I would want more for that.
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 01:00 PM |
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This could be a better proposition, tell George I want commission .Mitchell
http://www.classicveedub.com.au/Car_Sales/Car_Sales_Results.asp
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 01:16 PM |
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1146398
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Alot of parts missing from this one, needs ALOT of work.
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 05:24 PM |
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This ones got all its windows...
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 05:25 PM |
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but a lot of rust as well.....
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 05:26 PM |
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Samba numbers says this should be a Nov 1958 build. Or did the Karmanns have different numbers?
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 05:45 PM |
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waste of time 
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| posted on June 12th, 2011 at 06:41 PM |
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For that kind of money, This would be a much better LHD Karmann Cabrio to restore. It already has ball joints, discs and double jointed rear (IRS...)
It's also complete and intact, and looks pretty unmolested.
And so as to not upset the diehards, it came that way from the factory. Oh and even better.. it's a Ghia.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Volkswagen-Karmann-Ghia-L-1969-2D-Cabriolet-4-Manu...
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