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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 12:54 AM |
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Nissan to join V8 Supercar
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/motor/nissan-to-join-v8-supercars-comp...
looks like I'll be going to clipsal 500 next year
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 01:02 AM |
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wow more than a two horse race.
funny they still wont let toyota in.
actually thinking back wasnt it the skylines dominance that proceeded the two horse race.
bring back the show room challenge. take it off the showroom floor, add a roll cage and safety upgrades then race the bastard. joe average can then go
and buy roughly the same car on monday
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 09:03 AM |
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Second that, better than same car different body.
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Gee, wow, they've finally announced it. I mean was about the worst kept secret in motorsport wasn't it ???
Hardly surprising with the increasing lead that Skaife has been taking on the organizing side, his very loooooooooong history with Nissan and the
fairly obvious cooling of support for the category funding wise from both the Blue and Red camps.
Good move for Nissan too I reckon... a lot of pro-Nissan guys in motorsport still from the Godzilla and even Seton days, so they'll get a fan base
pretty quickly. Curious about their colour tho... will they stay traditional with Red and Blue over White... or will they go all new-age
enviro-friendly and launch as Green ???
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 09:28 AM |
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posted by barls
wow more than a two horse race.
funny they still wont let toyota in.
actually thinking back wasnt it the skylines dominance that proceeded the two horse race.
bring back the show room challenge. take it off the showroom floor, add a roll cage and safety upgrades then race the bastard. joe average can then go
and buy roughly the same car on monday
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Don't know that so much "won't let Toyota in" as it is "Toyota don't want to play".... considering they pulled out of F1, and are barely
bothering in NASCAR and BTCC... with both America and UK/Europe being so much larger markets for them.... what makes anyone think they'd bother with
V8SC ???
"Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" was a great era... but is it still true ??? Most Commodore's and Falcon's go to fleet buyers... and of course
there's Hyundai being such a massive seller while having never really won anything motorsport wise here in Aus....
Production Car racing categories would be great as a competitor, but not gonna get much of a fanbase to build a business model on I don't think.
V8SC is all about the fans and TV coverage, not so much the relevance of the cars or enjoyment for the drivers... much the same as F1 is now... oh for
the days when there was true groundbreaking technical innovation in F1.
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 12:05 PM |
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LOL.
just open this thread and as I was reading, it was anounced on the radio and it was the first I have heard of it either way.
LOLOLOLOL
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 03:18 PM |
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The problem is that the cars are just about identical. All of the checks and balances are there to provide an even playing field, sure, but then it
isn't really a ford or holden product anymore is it? There are heaps of single make events that you can watch if you are into the art of racing -
Formula Vee, HQ, Excel Cup etc - but it is hard to see why the Holden and Ford fans still see these vehicles as their brand to the point of violence
between each other over damn near identical vehicles.
I agree with Barls - Showroom challenge all the way. Or even a Redex trial with Stock standard vehicles. I love the sound of the V8s, but they have
all become so homogenised in the series that it has become a bit of a bore.
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 03:34 PM |
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posted by t_tuffnut
I love the sound of the V8s, but they have all become so homogenised in the series that it has become a bit of a bore.
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Totally agree, but it's been coming a long time... ever since the VR/VS Holden's in the hands of Brock, Skaife, Lowndes and even good 'ol Larry
Perkins used to dominate over the EF/EL Falcon's.
Anyone remember the big cry-baby session from the Ford guys at Bathurst one year, resulting in all the Holden guys having to trim 10mm from the lip on
their rear wings ??? 10mm !!!
All those Parity arguments resulted in Project Blueprint... resulting in cars so similar that Team Vodafone literally swapped from Ford to Holden just
by changing engines and exterior panels, being up at the pointy end straight out of the box.
My solution was to get into racing myself... in a Volksy... where the closest competitor I have is a modern race-prepped Fiesta... you can't get 2
cars more different !!!
If you want to see good racing... go to a track most any weekend and there'll be guys there putting down consistent times in cars you could drive on
the road. All for A LOT less money than a new Commodore or Falcon.... just unfortunately they don't make for as good a spectating or TV as V8SC, so
won't ever get the following it deserves.
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 08:56 PM |
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So with all the control parts etc, does this mean the Nissan will just be a Falcodore with Nissan badges?
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Car of the future is basically the same underneath with different panels and badges. Its not holden or ford its CAR OF THE FUTURE. I heard Alan Moffit
sprouting about how they did this in nascar and the fans didn't care and still waived their fans. This is not USA, we care about the car not just the
drivers and the badges. Bring back old group A with BMW, Nissans etc etc
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 09:06 PM |
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Not Falcadores anymore. Now they are called Falcdatadores!
But what sort of Datsun will the race? Surely not the Tiida.
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 09:17 PM |
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4wd twin turbo Micra?
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 11:17 PM |
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This is interesting stuff. To all those asking about the formula, yes, the Car of the Future is a control chassis, with control suspension, gearbox
and electronics. Teams can choose to use either an engine from their manufacturer which fits within the rules, or a "control engine", which I
presume will be a small-block Chev or similar. The replica body panels and aero package will basically be developed by the ruling body, meaning that
all of the teams with the same manufacturer will have the same body panels and spoilers. So, in other words, the teams do not have any freedom to
design their car and every manufacturer's car will be exactly the same except for body panels and engine. That means that front-wheel-drive sedans
from Nissan or Toyota would be raced with a 5 litre pushrod V8 driving the rear wheels, via a sequential transaxle in the rear of the car. I don't
believe that any parts from the actual production car will be retained. Currently the V8 Supercars retain the front doors from the production car and
that's about it.
It's a pretty safe bet that Nissan will be racing the Altima, which is a Camry-sized front wheel drive car that will be replacing the Maxima very
soon. There are strong rumours also that Chrysler will also be joining in the fun and racing the new generation 300C. I think it will be an
interesting time to watch, for sure! Something had to be done before the series became a total whitewash, especially with Holden winning 24 races out
of 28 last year! Ford just don't have the money to support teams to compete with Holden. Nissan, on the other hand, seems to be going in hard with a
$15 million budget. What Rick and Todd Kelly can do with $15 million at the wheel of a Nissan V8 Supercar remains to be seen.
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| posted on February 9th, 2012 at 11:43 PM |
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drove through Wakefield Rd. they're already putting barrier and that up for adelaide clipsal 500
I guess I'll go this year anyway
but the first thought that came to mind was the R35 with V8 lol
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| posted on February 10th, 2012 at 12:09 AM |
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Agreed narumi, I keep picturing MINE's R34 with a 5ltr V8 going through Adelaide.
That would definitely be a site to see!
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| posted on February 10th, 2012 at 12:12 AM |
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but the first thought that came to mind was the R35 with V8 lol
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Not going to happen! I'm pretty sure it will be more like this:
Except with a 5 litre V8 and a tube frame!
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| posted on February 10th, 2012 at 12:17 AM |
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Here's a current Altima with a body kit. Maybe this could look good as a V8 Supercar?
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| posted on February 10th, 2012 at 05:25 AM |
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it'll be interesting to see how much "assistance" Nissan gets from the controlling parties to ensure they see some results in their first year in
order to keep the interest going.
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What a pity the 'Car of the Future' committee didn't get together with the German V8 championship organisers (the DTM - Deusche Tourenwagen
Masters) to come up with an international standard design. That way we could have seen the current V8 Supercars from Mercedes, BMW and Audi competing
as well, for minimum cost. And our cars could have competed in Europe.
As VW fans, we should be happy that Audi were the 2011 champions. Audi were also the champions in 2008 and 2009. Here are the basic German V8 Supercar
rules:
http://www.dtm.com/reglement_t.php
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| posted on February 10th, 2012 at 07:40 AM |
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lol... love the number of wings on the rear quarter panels!!!
see.... air and water do mix
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I don't think that we really want V8 Supercar to merge with DTM, that would be terrible. V8 Supercar has it's own unique identity. The most obvious
difference being that DTM cars are a lot more high-tech and look nothing like production cars! Too many wings and spoilers for my liking. Keep the
aero aids to a minimum and the cars look much more like street cars, even if they aren't real bodyshells. All those aero aids would just get in the
way when the V8 drivers are swapping paint and rubbing panels!
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| posted on February 10th, 2012 at 12:16 PM |
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lol... love the number of wings on the rear quarter panels!!!
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its works like a centrifugal air pump to blow air up in turn forcing the car down.
Old concept but taken to the extreme.
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I dunno about that, the whole problem is that the V8 Supercars' 'identity' has become stale and monotonous - hence the new regulations to allow
Nissan, Chrysler and others to take part. Why shouldn't we have high-tech V8 racers too?
Have a look at the footage of the A5 V8 race car Audi will be running in the DTM this year. Looks a lot like an A5 to me! Who wouldn't love to see
these racing here? (put it on large screen)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWZc3VXA49o
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A large part of the reason for the 'Car of the Future' formula is to cut costs. V8 Supercar are claiming that the cars are only supposed to cost
approximately $250,000 each. I'm not sure what a DTM car costs, but I bet it's a lot more! All that technology costs money. The DTM cars make a lot
more extensive use of carbon fibre in their chassis, whereas the Car of the Future is good old-fashioned steel tube. I'm sure that carbon monocoque
tubs are not cheap! Add in all of the wind tunnel time and fancy electronics and the smaller V8 Supercar teams' budgets would be swallowed whole in
no time.
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That's true, a DTM car certainly would be more expensive, given the much greater use of technology, but their race teams and their market is much
bigger too. Last year there were rounds of the DTM held in Holland, Spain, Austria and the UK (at Brands Hatch), and the year before they had a round
in Shanghai. The V8 Supercars went to Shanghai in 2005 but this was discontinued afterwards; perhaps the two formulas are already competing against
one another in the marketplace. I know the V8s want to race in Singapore, Hong Kong and Korea and even in the USA. I was hoping the V8 and the DTM
rules could move closer together to allow cars to race in both series with little changes.
I've read that the current V8 Supercar budget is around $600,000 for a car plus $100,000+ for engines. The big team budgets are around $10 mil a
season for two cars; the 2006 'TREC' salary cap of $6.7 mil was quickly scrapped. So yes a change to $250,000 each is a big cost saving.
I'd still much rather watch V8 Audis racing against Fords and Holdens than Nissans! I just don't know if it can happen.
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we need racing like this here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_1GqyNYAw&feature=g-u-u&context=G263...
I lol'd at the lexus in this video, looks so slow. the gt2 on the other hand 
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Same Same........ Havent followed aussie racing since they killed the turbo. Would be good if they said you could race any car you like as long as it
had 4 doors and capped everyones power at 600 horsepower, now THAT I would watch.
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| posted on February 10th, 2012 at 10:27 PM |
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im definately excited that the supercars are expanding and it will be a spectacular event next year...its been a while..i think two decades since
nissan
raced in it....something to look forward to next year....ps all you guys from adelaide there is a free entry this weekend to the clipsal for test runs
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| posted on February 10th, 2012 at 10:38 PM |
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next year will just be a full size version of this http://www.aussieracingcars.com.au/image-gallery/2011/clipsal.html though its not far removed now. They'll have to
stretch and pull the nissan to fit the chassis, but they are already doing similar things cut and shutting the falcadores. The VE commodore was longer
than the BF falcon so had to be cut at the C pillar. And I think the new falcon is also longer than a BF so is now shortened to match the short
commodore?
Showroom showdown doesnt work despite all the hopeless romantics asking for it. There already is an Australian production car championship. Not many
know about it, even less watch it. Other than F1, V8s are the only things Australians on a whole watch. Its not that the others dont get aired on TV
either.
The old way didnt work at all. It was a constant battle to trim holden wings and undertrays to try and introduce some parity. Nobody turns up if the
outcome is determined before the flag drop . You knew a holden was going to win, and most of the time it was the HRT team that would be at the front
of those. The new way is very even racing. Any one of say 15 cars is a chance of winning on the day. If you are watching it for the sport and not the
colour of a flag its an exciting series. To me it doesnt matter if the only factory part is a tail light lense. So long as the Kellys and James
COurtney dont win I am happy. So sorry Nissan, I'll be cheering against you from the outset. Just not for the same reasons the rest of the knuckle
dragging fraternity are booing for.
 
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Not Falcadores anymore. Now they are called Falcdatadores!
But what sort of Datsun will the race? Surely not the Tiida.
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Tiidas won't be around long enough...
the PULSARs are coming back..
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