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 jimmy
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 01:47 AM |
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Fuel injection
I know that I asked a question about fuel injection a week ago, but does anyone know a good engineer or technician or mechanic who can inject a
beetle? I have a type 4 engine |
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 vw54
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 07:51 AM |
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Jimmy
fill out your profile so we can see where your located. then we can suggest places for you to talk to.
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 12:07 AM |
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Fuel injection
Hey Bros, I am currently located in Melbourne. Do you guys know who does injection? |
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 08:10 AM |
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Sorry Jim only places in Sydney
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 09:01 AM |
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What is the cost roughly to do this
keep on buggin
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 05:02 PM |
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not cheap  The really late and current mex beetles use fuel injection,
although if u want to go aftermarket it will prob cost a couple of grand at least
Jon
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 06:34 PM |
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Hunt around for the stock type 4 fuel injection system. Manifolds, injectors, fuel rail, wiring loom, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, plenum
chamber, throttle body/airflow sensor and 'computer' are some of the bits you'll need.
If you use stock parts, you won't need a specialist to help you, it's all in the workshop manual. :thumb
Kruizin Kol
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| posted on October 5th, 2002 at 12:08 AM |
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Hi
I have Autronic SMC on my bug, the basic unit is $1800 plus you need injectors, manifolds, fuel pumps etc. It really adds up and if you have to pay
someone else to do it the price will really go up. Im pretty sure that you can buy the Mexican unit but it would not be programble like any other
stock system.
1302Steve
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| posted on October 5th, 2002 at 08:17 AM |
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brad(buggy boys) has a complete fuel injetcetd 2 ltr kombi motor for sale running very well for $1000 up here in sunny qld
marcel:thumb
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| posted on October 5th, 2002 at 12:42 PM |
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I got a quote of $3300 drive in drive out for EFI...
Not sure what gear was being used tho...
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| posted on October 5th, 2002 at 04:07 PM |
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Theres a good article on injection in the December 01 Total VW mag. Mainly covers installing late mexican injected engine into Beetles using the
standard factory injection gear. To over come tuning problems a socket is solderted into the ECU (Black Box) to allow tuning with a lap top and
rechipping. :thumb
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| posted on October 7th, 2002 at 10:03 AM |
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essential theory for anyone considering aftermarket efi
members.aol.com/_ht_a/dvandrews/ems.htm##basics
before spending bucket loads of the mortgage paying stuff, be sure you understand what you're getting and that it's at least better than
stock injection.
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| posted on October 7th, 2002 at 12:16 PM |
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That's a good link. Here's another of interest.
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/phil.bradshaw/EFI%20Operation.htm
After a bit of research you'll see it's cheaper to put a complete EFI jap motor in your VW rather than trying to put EFI on your VW motor.
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| posted on October 7th, 2002 at 03:12 PM |
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while we are on this subject does anyone know if the L- jetronic system as used on the 2 litre type 4 motors will work on a high po engine?
has anyone attempted this?
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| posted on October 7th, 2002 at 05:25 PM |
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No idea, but I'd like to find out!
Are you sure it was L-Jetronic? I was always under the impression that it was Bosch D-Jetronic...
Kruizin Kol
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| posted on October 7th, 2002 at 08:06 PM |
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no definately L- jetronic. i have been looking for info on this system. its very simple but i dont know whether it can be tuned for perfomance
can anyone help me out here?
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| posted on October 7th, 2002 at 09:08 PM |
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have you been to the shoptalk forum-fuel injection they talk about this stuff endlessly,D-jet L-jet and any other jet you like aftermarket as
well,enjoy. |
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| posted on October 7th, 2002 at 10:28 PM |
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Hi
The L jetronic on the 76 Kombis was good in its day but it offered no ignition control. L jetronic gets its name from the L shaped flap in the air
cleaner.
Most late aftermarket systems are very good and offer a wide range of adjustment, I just cant see how you could get any motor to run properly on an
adapted stock system if it differed in any way from the stock motor. When looking for an aftermarket system you need to buy a system that your local
dyno guy is familiar with otherwise you will spend lots of money for the dyno guy to learn a new system. You also need to examine why you want EFI?
You can get almost as good results from carbs, its only when you want to push the envelope a bit that EFI shines, like when using a turbo or looking
for that last bit of perfomance.
I cant tell you how good it is not to have to do the idle jet clean and carb sync almost every month.
1302Steve
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| posted on October 9th, 2002 at 04:52 PM |
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hey thanks steve, im looking at this setup due to high costs of carbies/ aftermarket injection. i think early volvos used the injection and i have
seen it on a worked engine.
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| posted on October 10th, 2002 at 03:21 AM |
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I have worked in stock vw fuel injection systems for years and I really don't like them for performance use. Check out www.cbperformance.com they have a complete kit that performs really well and it is a
simple system. It also looks like you have a set of big dual carbs!
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| posted on October 10th, 2002 at 05:27 PM |
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hey thanks a lot guys at least i know where im going now. looks like it back to the drawing board
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FI of a kombi Motor
I have recently injected my T4 here in Sydney. I am no mechanic, and with a little help from Jeff Unwin (Hellbug) I got the job done in 2 days. It was
$$$ but the difference in driving is out of sight....go for it. I went with Haltech PFI and will soon be doing the ignition the same as well.
Another trip to the Dyno and the 2L is going to sing a sweeter song!
I think the expense counter acts the hassel of tuning carbs! |
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| posted on October 11th, 2002 at 12:32 PM |
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kombilova
looks like you went to the right place. i've got $$$ aftermarket injection done too, and it hesitates kicks and stalls.
are you using the stock dual advance distributor?
how is your air volume metered?
do you have any choke setup?
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| posted on October 11th, 2002 at 08:16 PM |
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it's a microtech mt-4
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| posted on October 11th, 2002 at 11:38 PM |
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Hi
Some tuners in the US are using the CSI from Porsches, Audi & VWs. It might prove to be cheap alternative.
http://www.sandrail.com/millerfi/
1302Steve
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| posted on October 12th, 2002 at 10:39 PM |
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I think you'll find, unless you're a machine-code whiz kid, that the cost of getting a chip for these will far outweigh the cost of one of
the locally produced aftermarket ECUs (look up Haltech, Wolf, Autronic.)
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| posted on October 13th, 2002 at 12:53 AM |
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The CIS system doesnt need a chip, it measures airflow, no electronics involved.
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 01:47 PM |
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kombilova
i got your message, i'll give you a call.:thumb
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KruizinKombi
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| posted on October 14th, 2002 at 06:25 PM |
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It was indeed L-Jetronic, I stand corrected.
I'll have to have a word with my mechanic about that....
Kruizin Kol
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| posted on October 16th, 2002 at 12:36 PM |
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I recently picked up the entire EFI system from a caravelle water cooled van. I got the fuel pump, complete loom, digijet ecu, injectors, all sensors
and TB, basically everything out of the engine bay. it cost $500. Oh, I got a dismantled 1.9L watercooled motor (dismantled) and 5sp transaxle
thrown in!
Check out Zoom magazine, as they tout delco efi from the 2.0L multi point camira (how about that, they ARE good for something!) as easily adaptable to
pretty much anything, and then is very tuneable to any dynotuner with access to the kalmaker software (apparently not uncommon these days).
And considering you can get camiras from between $400 to a case of beer. it doesnt matter how flogged or rusty the camira is, the EFI will still be
good!
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