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| posted on May 1st, 2012 at 10:17 AM |
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Has anyone on here added a tension control / castor arm to 1302/1303 LCA's?
Hi everyone. I have a second project now which is a bit of a beater...Its based on a 1302 chassis....
Basically Im just looking for pics of super beetles that have tension control arms added in. I know the silver and blue slalom bugs from europe had
them added...I can't remember how to spell the guys name...think its something like henry achlieder? or similar....
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| posted on May 1st, 2012 at 10:31 AM |
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Hi
This is a Japanese 1302 with them.
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| posted on May 1st, 2012 at 10:43 AM |
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some more, the last 2 are not exactly what your talking about but the sway bar mounting is interesting
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| posted on May 1st, 2012 at 01:53 PM |
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On my s bug I'm building I got rid of the original sway bar and mounted the control arm in that location then built a separate chromoly adjustable
tube sway bar also used 944 stubs with golf struts.
Cheers Adam
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| posted on May 1st, 2012 at 02:30 PM |
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Hi Adam
Post some pictures.
Did you notice on the photos from my 1st post how he has spaced the ball joint from the stub axle to help with bump steer, I like that you can this
easily with the 3 bolt suspension.
Steve
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| posted on May 1st, 2012 at 06:11 PM |
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spacer is used to correct 'role centre'.
Having the tierod ends located from underneath helps with the bumpsteer by leveling out the tierods.
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| posted on May 2nd, 2012 at 06:05 PM |
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I will get some pics. I've made the lower arm from chromoly tube with him joints on the inner with multiple holes so I can move it upwards. Its nice
and low but the arm still goes slightly down The outer has a spherical bearing instead of a
Ball joint. Have also used a passat rack with nice long tie rods and no bump steer. The inner mount on the rack for the tie rods is adjustable so I
can adjust the acumen.
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| posted on May 3rd, 2012 at 12:04 PM |
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Hi Adam
Sounds like a interesting setup, what are your plans for the car? Tarmac rally events?
Steve
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| posted on May 4th, 2012 at 05:27 PM |
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Tie rods under neath also give steering drag links more clearance to body when running real low ride heights,i havnt found any need for the extra
control arms yet,never experienced any bump steer yet either,used whiteline front stabiliser bar special made up to vintage vee dub specs to suit
lower ride height caster adjustable , very stable under hard brakeing excellent turn in and stability at 200k plus through turn one at eastern
creek,cheers Rudi
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| posted on May 8th, 2012 at 07:30 PM |
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Excellent photos and discussion everyone, thanks!
Another idea I had to for roll centre adjustment is to raise the inner LCA mount. You could easily make a bracket with multiple holes drilled and bolt
the control arm on higher up to correct the LCA angle.
I will be starting a build thread soon for my 1302 project (it looks too filthy at the moment haha)... its more of a buggy then a beetle. The only
body work I used was the strut tower section.
Also if anyone is interested today I dummy fitted an old KE70 rack I had lying around. It fits in nicely, though I have cut out the spare wheel well.
But more so in terms of sizing and so on, its pretty well the perfect width and even the KE70 tie rod ends bolt straight into the 1302 spindle! Very
handy! Thought that might be useful for any 1302/03 owners who want to do a RnP conversion. The KE70 rack is the same as the AE86 rack and quick ratio
gear sets are available for them from quaife.
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| posted on May 8th, 2012 at 07:36 PM |
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Also some adjustable strut tops would be useful for the super beetles. They are available for pretty much any jap car and allow for camber and castor
adjustment very easily. You can buy generic ones with no studs drilled in them...i might make som eup and see how it goes, though, the 1302 strut top
is a weird shape and the generic tops are quite a large circle.
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| posted on May 8th, 2012 at 08:01 PM |
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Hi
You can't raise the inner control arm mount very easily.
With a 3 bolt car you can use spacers like on the blue 1302, if you have a 2 bolt car you can use these.
KMac make strut tops.
Does the AE86 rack turn the right way? as in turn the rack right and the car goes right.
Steve
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| posted on May 9th, 2012 at 05:45 AM |
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I will get some pics. I've made the lower arm from chromoly tube with him joints on the inner with multiple holes so I can move it upwards. Its nice
and low but the arm still goes slightly down The outer has a spherical bearing instead of a
Ball joint. Have also used a passat rack with nice long tie rods and no bump steer. The inner mount on the rack for the tie rods is adjustable so I
can adjust the acumen.
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just a question how do you change the acumen without changing the outer tie rod pivot point? as i understand acumen is the line between the pivot
point of the strut and the tierod pivot and centre of rear axle.
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| posted on May 9th, 2012 at 06:00 PM |
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Um, I will have to double check the toyota rack, though, it is from a right hand drive aussie KE so I can't see why not. My project is a little
different, in that I have a huge amount of metal cut away and lots of spare space to work with...hence even the thought of flipping the LCA mount
upside down and welding it on the top part could work, but I see what you mean with beetles people have the spare tyre well and fuel tank in the way
etc... I am going to the shed now to take some pics of my project and the KE70 rack...
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| posted on May 9th, 2012 at 06:12 PM |
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Ok sorry for the shitty photos, but its more so you can get an idea of my project. Please note its in its early stages yet! Yes I am aware I will need
to do some bracing...eventually a roll cage will be built to tie in all the suspension points...
Please note the rack is just sitting there, I will have to find a KE70 cross member (available on corolla forums for very cheap) and cut out the
mounts and weld them on the frame head.
The reason I was toying around with the KE rack is that I picked up the shell for free and the pan for 60 bucks, the steering box and linkages were
missing, and i had this rack lying around from my old AE71 spirit project which I sold to pour funds into my kombi. My kombi is my only money pit,
this buggy project is meant to be very cheap and therefore I am willing to mix and match and work with left over bits. It obviously wont be a
registered road going car. My goal is to first develop a rolling chassis and then eventually turn it into some form of hill climb special with
fibreglass body work and so on. In the mean time it will be hard parked in the corner while the kombi gets done!
I also cleaned, repainted and rebushed (urethane) my LCA's
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| posted on May 9th, 2012 at 06:15 PM |
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Also I forgot to add, the KE rack is about 1 inch too narrow each side... but, from previous knowledge of my corolla days, RA60 (from memory) tie rod
ends are about inch longer than KE ones and they are regularly swapped into KE70 drift cars that are running extended LCA's for mad camber yo. Also
Yes the body work will be trimmed down even further, its all very messy and in its early stages yet so please no comments on the roughness of it just
yet haha
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| posted on May 9th, 2012 at 06:18 PM |
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 here is the LCA's looking nice
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| posted on May 9th, 2012 at 06:37 PM |
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Hi Matt
Looks good. As you said its not finished so a lot more weight can come out of it
I thought that I had a suitable rack to use once from a Camira, they look very similar to late Beetle rack with centre pivoting tie rods, only problem
was the tie rod knuckles on a Bug are on the front of the stub axle. A Camira has them on the rear of the stub axle.
I could maybe have swapped stub axles left to right but I was worried that it might open up other problems.
Steve
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| posted on May 9th, 2012 at 06:51 PM |
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Ahh I see what you mean steve.... From memory the KE70 has the tie rods mounts the other way round so yes you are right it would probably mean turning
the wheel right would turn the wheels left. Another thought of mine is to convert this beast to centre steering, though I am not sure how you would
set that up? Do formula vees use a centred steering box, or are they allowed to use a rack? Some of the sand rail cars in America have centre steer
rack and pinion. How do you work out centre steering? I guess you need the centre steer rack for one, but would there be any issues with the
difference in tie rod lengths? Or do you just whack it in lol?
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| posted on May 9th, 2012 at 06:53 PM |
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This is the kind commonly used in America, very cheap too, as all veedub parts seem to be over there! http://www.dansperformanceparts.com/buggy/susp/buggysusp%20rack&pinion.htm
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 08:26 AM |
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Hi
I case anybody is wondering about the blue 1302 in the above photos here is a video of it from a track day in Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUo31Rpq6LI&search=porsche
Steve
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 06:39 PM |
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I wish you would stop posting this videos Steve ,bring back to many great memoires
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| posted on May 13th, 2012 at 08:31 PM |
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Come on Paul, you know want to race a bug again
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