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 navis
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 06:30 PM |
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Best Air Filter for Super Bug?
Hi All
Having issues with performance on 72 Super Bug which has a small chrome pancake style air filter.
Mechanic recommended replacing with stock air filter for better compression and performance.
Anyone else agree with this or have input on best air filter for stock carb on super bug?
Thanks
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 07:10 PM |
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Not sure mate but i'm having same problem and i have the chrome pancake style sports filter.
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 07:11 PM |
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Those chrome pancake filters are absolutely hopeless, strictly a visual thing.
THe oil bath ones do the best job but are a bit more restrictive than the later bug paper element ones.
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 07:12 PM |
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I Have a paper element sport one?
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 07:28 PM |
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The oil bath filter on mine seems to work pretty well.
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 07:34 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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I Have a paper element sport one?
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Stock paper element ones.
They were on 73 and later bugs
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 08:49 PM |
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Will they fit an earlier bug joel?
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 09:09 PM |
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The stock paper element and housing works the best on my 74 1600 tp.
I have read that the carby requires a minimum distance above the airhorn to the top of the airfilter for correct atomisation of fuel. (35 mm?,
More?)
The small aftermarket has half that.
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| posted on May 11th, 2012 at 10:23 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Will they fit an earlier bug joel?
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Yep, all bug single carbs have the same 50mm air cleaner spigot.
The whole velocity tube thing is a bit blown out of proportion.
It does help to a degree but your not going to notice if its not there.
THe oil bath filters have one but its purely to stop the oil from splashing down the carb throat.
The stock paper element filters like I posted above have nothing and there is no noticable difference in peformance.
THe pancake filters are crap mainly because there is just not enough filter surface area with them, they don't seal well and have no provision for
pre heat.
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| posted on May 12th, 2012 at 09:07 AM |
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If anyone is wanting the later filter assembly , I have a couple for sale. 
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| posted on May 12th, 2012 at 09:36 AM |
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Complete witg all the preheat tubes ect ? Pm me some details 
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| posted on May 12th, 2012 at 03:03 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
Those chrome pancake filters are absolutely hopeless, strictly a visual thing.
THe oil bath ones do the best job but are a bit more restrictive than the later bug paper element ones.
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Hi Joel,
how can a paper air element be less restricting than an oil bath air filters??
the air just hits the oil and bounces UP & down into the carby..
I've never liked paper air filters always prefer the K&N type reuseable filters..
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| posted on May 12th, 2012 at 06:04 PM |
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im running oil bath atm, might go to the 73+ paper element
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| posted on May 13th, 2012 at 09:05 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
Those chrome pancake filters are absolutely hopeless, strictly a visual thing.
THe oil bath ones do the best job but are a bit more restrictive than the later bug paper element ones.
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Hi Joel,
how can a paper air element be less restricting than an oil bath air filters??
the air just hits the oil and bounces UP & down into the carby.
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They would have been fine when new but after 40+ years of sludgy oil dust and dirt build up in the mesh I've seen a few badly caked up ones.
Cars that have spent their life in the country would be worse than city cars,
Alot of dirt roads around here still and many Kombi owners seemed to think it was a great idea to prop open the engine hatch so the motor just sucked
in all the dust and crap of the back wheels
I've had to throw a few oil baths out they were just so badly blocked up they couldn't be cleaned out.
THe Panel filters that 73 and later bugs have are still what cars use now,
Just blow the element out every service and replace every few years all is fine and dandy.
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| posted on May 22nd, 2012 at 09:40 PM |
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Nice one everyone thanks for the input, appreciate it. Have tried a crappy old oil bath filter and it made a HUGE difference to the running.
Craig do you have the later paper filter assemblies? Let me know if you do.
Now just got to sort out the rough running and backfiring when cold.....
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| posted on May 24th, 2012 at 10:08 PM |
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I've got sponge uni filter
sit on my custom 32 36 weber carby hat
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| posted on October 6th, 2012 at 09:20 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by navis
Nice one everyone thanks for the input, appreciate it. Have tried a crappy old oil bath filter and it made a HUGE difference to the running.
Craig do you have the later paper filter assemblies? Let me know if you do.
Now just got to sort out the rough running and backfiring when cold.....
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So are you saying the oil bath is really good? haha im not sure whether to keep my later paper element air filter or an oil bath filter? (Joel you
said the oil bath ones are stock... is that a better option?)
i have the same as this
http://www.vct2.nl/vwtech/Images/Air%20Filter%20-%20Paper/air%20filter%20pape...
i dont mind the maintenance...i just want a cool running bug 
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| posted on October 6th, 2012 at 09:28 PM |
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the main reason they went away form the oil bath is the paper one was cheaper to make and install.
hell if they can hold something in with 3 screws rather than 4 they will because it saves money.
ether air filter wont really affect the temp that the engine runs at. so it comes down to personal preference
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| posted on October 6th, 2012 at 10:33 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by barls
the main reason they went away form the oil bath is the paper one was cheaper to make and install.
hell if they can hold something in with 3 screws rather than 4 they will because it saves money.
ether air filter wont really affect the temp that the engine runs at. so it comes down to personal preference
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Hi guys
Yes, they would have saved a bit of money changing over to a plastic filter.. it would have cost a bit to keep making the oil bath filter.. I don't
drive on dusty roads if I can, as I think about the dust all the time. I bought the oil bath filter I am now using but it had inside it a paper
filter that fitted into the oil bath bottom.. now that was probably rare and expensive to have these days.. I thought it was the original oil bath
top..lol.. never ever seen one before and probably never will... lol
it was un usable.. maybe fitted with oil still in there??
I made up an extension piece for the chromed cheap air filter
from PVC and it fitted on great... was about 75-80mm long..
but went back to the oil bath.. and preheater pipe.. etc..
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| posted on October 7th, 2012 at 12:02 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Nice one everyone thanks for the input, appreciate it. Have tried a crappy old oil bath filter and it made a HUGE difference to the running.
Craig do you have the later paper filter assemblies? Let me know if you do.
Now just got to sort out the rough running and backfiring when cold.....
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Sorry, only just saw this................yes I have the paper filter assemblies. If anyone is after one just PM me.
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| posted on October 7th, 2012 at 09:08 PM |
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i just bought a 90 deg reducer a 3 inch pipe and a pod filter because of the same problem awesome difference
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