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| posted on June 15th, 2012 at 06:05 PM |
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Should i or shouldn't i
got some cb cnc 043's with 40 x 35.5 single springs.
thing is i am running a 2332 with engle fk10.
is this combo appropriate. will be using on the street and maybe strip/circuit once a year.
i have a gut feeling i should be using dual springs and maybe should change to cb 044 mini wedge ports.
i am not sure they go cheap on the springs, valves and retainers in the heads i have as i have read that after 5000 miles that the valve train needs
swapping out.
i like my torque and i wont be seeing past 7000rpms.
any ideas
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| posted on June 15th, 2012 at 06:31 PM |
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The only issue I see with using the 043's is they have less meat to do head work with; careful with the dual springs too because you don't want to
waste HP on pushing overly heavy springs you've got to balance between controlling the valve and energy required to push.
Changing to a better flowing head too will require some more compression and cam to make it really work; going to the wedge ports you might find you
loose the bottom end a bit.
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| posted on June 15th, 2012 at 07:07 PM |
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First....the springs, my opinion, your on the money, not enough spring for me, I like a lot a'la Berg.
I'd fit Scat or Berg Duals, but then the CB single groove retainers throw a spanner in the works as they don't interchange without either replacing
valves to better quality Manleys or at least matching the keepers to retainers that come with the springs, or modifying the CB retainers for the
duals.
I do like using the 043's as they are a way better casting IMO with way more cooling air passages which for a street engine I feel is very important,
but there is always a trade off. The thicker 044's offer more material so for a heavy load application (turbo, bus towing, race...) they are possibly
more stable due to shear bulk of the casting.
The bigger heads will need way more cam and comp, which will be more rpm/power overall, as to loosing bottom end, you gain it back with cr and more
top end, but all is not equal.... exhaust and carbs will also play a part with the differences between the two.
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| posted on June 15th, 2012 at 07:34 PM |
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i have enough cam and the 44 idf's are good, 48's will out perform at higher rpm's, i dont need high rpm. Useable hp and torque for me 
i wonder why cb went the way they did with their single retainer, single spring idea. aahh.
so new springs, valves, retainers and machining for dual's = $ and actually the heads are no good for fk10 with 1.4 rockers i guess
thats another reason to move away from the 043's. shame though.
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| posted on June 15th, 2012 at 11:43 PM |
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shouldn't Engle have a recommendation for the springs to use including overall spring ratings?
Not built such a large HP engine meself but I'd be following the manufacturers spec when it comes to cam. Is it meant to run with ratio rockers?
The Samba is also great for finding info on HP engine builds
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| posted on June 16th, 2012 at 07:13 AM |
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As per Matty. Valve control reigns supreme for longevity and performance, no way i'd be using single springs.
More in it than just swapping out heads unfortunately.
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| posted on June 16th, 2012 at 09:42 AM |
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Psimitar, I here you, but not all manfacturers are correct in thier specifications/recommendations as they unfortunately dont always have longevety in
mind, so research is definately required. Even the forums are only a tool, sure check out opinions, but even they need to be reflected on. Not every
post is correct. People can say they have no problems yada yada......in the case of engines, how many actually check inside once built, how many
actually achieve 100 000, 200 000 or even 300 000 miles???????
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| posted on June 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by matberry
Psimitar, I here you, but not all manfacturers are correct in thier specifications/recommendations as they unfortunately dont always have longevety in
mind, so research is definately required. Even the forums are only a tool, sure check out opinions, but even they need to be reflected on. Not every
post is correct. People can say they have no problems yada yada......in the case of engines, how many actually check inside once built, how many
actually achieve 100 000, 200 000 or even 300 000 miles???????
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Yea, is hard especially when dealing with an engine that only made 50bhp at it's largest size. Would a professional engine builder know? Or would you
have to ask the old gasser engine builders in So-Cal for their experience?
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| posted on June 23rd, 2012 at 11:37 PM |
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Don't ask me, I'm biased.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2012 at 11:51 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by matberry
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Biased. Why?
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| posted on June 24th, 2012 at 08:02 AM |
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I build what I describe as quality engines.......
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| posted on June 24th, 2012 at 08:11 AM |
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You can send the cam to a specialist that can run the cam and tell you exactly the spring to run with it, this way you can use a spring that that has
the lowest seat pressure to do the job, i know a turbo engine that is running single conicial bee hive springs to 7000RPM with no float.
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| posted on June 24th, 2012 at 12:26 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by matberry
I build what I describe as quality engines.......
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