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 Uber Kafer
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| posted on June 23rd, 2012 at 02:00 PM |
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options for single reservoir on dual circuit master cylinder?
does anyone know what remote reservoir will fit on a standard-beetle dual circuit mastercylinder? We want to put a remote reservoir on an early
beetle as the single reservoir in the wheel well needs to be retained but its a case of one pipe needs to become two feeds to the inlet of the master
cylinder.
For example this
http://www.justkampersaustralia.com/shop/brake-fluid-reservoir-for-servo-mast...
is for a baywindow kombi but I dont know if it will fit the standard beetle dual circuit master cylinder.
So if anyone knows for certain what will just drop in there it would solve our problem.
thanks.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2012 at 06:30 PM |
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I put this link of the one I have just done to my car in your other post, but here it is again. It uses a beetle res mounted on the inner 1/4 as per
stock. Also CSP do a kit I believe.
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=91358&page=11
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| posted on June 23rd, 2012 at 08:06 PM |
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thanks Mat. The link is a bit weird but I will peruse your thread in the morning.
The young fella is keen to get the 56 rolling around the yard with all the brakes and pedals working. We have a nicely restored 1200 to plug in to
the transaxle. But he wants it done this weekend without having planned it fully. We are hooking up a late beetle reservoir (one of my really good
original spares  ) but need to do the long term fix..
Found some good info on this site about Golf Mk1 reservoirs etc. And I will check out your other tips.
All good fun.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2012 at 09:30 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Uber Kafer
does anyone know what remote reservoir will fit on a standard-beetle dual circuit mastercylinder? We want to put a remote reservoir on an early
beetle as the single reservoir in the wheel well needs to be retained but its a case of one pipe needs to become two feeds to the inlet of the master
cylinder.
For example this
http://www.justkampersaustralia.com/shop/brake-fluid-reservoir-for-servo-mast...
is for a baywindow kombi but I dont know if it will fit the standard beetle dual circuit master cylinder.
So if anyone knows for certain what will just drop in there it would solve our problem.
thanks.
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check out windscreen wiper connectors...
two into one... a tee or a Y piece
into the twin master cylinder..
I remember getting a Y piece [wiper hose connector]
don't know what I used it on??
I don't know what hose You would use to join them up...
Joel said He just used some sort of common hose to join the pipes and had no problems with it..
even a good quality rubber hose [fuel] or even the clear type hose may work... [works when doing the brakes]
and least its not going to fail in a day or two...
LEE
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| posted on June 23rd, 2012 at 10:16 PM |
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I was discussing this with my engineer when he came to blue plate my seatbelts and he said that unless you are using an OEM manufactured part then it
is not ADR compliant.
Also, just using a t-piece to make the single reservoir feed both circuits is non-compliant as for dual circuit the reservoir must have segmented
reservoir for the event of a major fluid leak in one circuit.
I had even made an alloy reservoir that mounted directly into the MC and was fed by the original single reservoir but even tho he said it was great it
would require much testing for the local transport department to allow it and so said just fit an OEM reservoir to the MC so I fitted a Volvo 240
reservoir. Makes for a slight nuisance to top up but is ADR compliant.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2012 at 10:26 PM |
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This fellow just wants brakes while He rolls His car about..
in His yard... NOW....
Not on the road....
Not a permanent fixture...
If He had a VW dual reservoir He could have just sat it above the twin master cylinder...
LEE
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I was discussing this with my engineer when he came to blue plate my seatbelts and he said that unless you are using an OEM manufactured part then it
is not ADR compliant.
Also, just using a t-piece to make the single reservoir feed both circuits is non-compliant as for dual circuit the reservoir must have segmented
reservoir for the event of a major fluid leak in one circuit.
I had even made an alloy reservoir that mounted directly into the MC and was fed by the original single reservoir but even tho he said it was great it
would require much testing for the local transport department to allow it and so said just fit an OEM reservoir to the MC so I fitted a Volvo 240
reservoir. Makes for a slight nuisance to top up but is ADR compliant.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2012 at 10:34 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
This fellow just wants brakes while He rolls His car about..
in His yard... NOW....
Not on the road....
Not a permanent fixture...
If He had a VW dual reservoir He could have just sat it above the twin master cylinder...
LEE
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not what the original post sounded like to me 
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| posted on June 24th, 2012 at 10:56 AM |
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some clarification then.
yes we want to get it rolling so we will do something temporary.
Yes we want a permanent fix based around OEM parts which is why I included the link to the kombi remote reservoir as an example of what we are trying
to achieve.
Yes the vehicle will need to be inspected...once, and in WA. So the Golf reservoir will most likely get us through that step, but I am still
investigating the ideal fix which is an OEM reservoir ( like Kombi ) on top of the master cylinder with a single feed from the original reservoir in
the stock location.
So the original question is still valid:
"does anyone know what remote reservoir will fit on a standard-beetle dual circuit mastercylinder? "
thanks.
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| posted on June 24th, 2012 at 12:39 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Uber Kafer
some clarification then.
yes we want to get it rolling so we will do something temporary.
Yes we want a permanent fix based around OEM parts which is why I included the link to the kombi remote reservoir as an example of what we are trying
to achieve.
Yes the vehicle will need to be inspected...once, and in WA. So the Golf reservoir will most likely get us through that step, but I am still
investigating the ideal fix which is an OEM reservoir ( like Kombi ) on top of the master cylinder with a single feed from the original reservoir in
the stock location.
So the original question is still valid:
"does anyone know what remote reservoir will fit on a standard-beetle dual circuit mastercylinder? "
thanks.
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When you say ' remote reservoir " to fit onto a dual circuit MC you confuse me as later Beetle use a remote reservoir for dual circuit MC's.
If however you just mean an OEM reservoir that fits directly into a Beetle dual circuit MC then that'll be the Volvo 240. Also, I know of people who
have used part of a vac bleeder kit to replace the reservoir cap with the vac bleeder item that has a small bore pipe coming out the top of it that
then connects to the original single circuit reservoir. Again, you would have to discuss with your local engineer to see if this is acceptable 
Just to get it rolling the volvo 240 reservoir would be a good starting point too 
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| posted on June 24th, 2012 at 01:07 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Just to get it rolling the volvo 240 reservoir would be a good starting point too
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| posted on June 24th, 2012 at 01:07 PM |
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Does anyone else know of one of these:
http://www.justkampersaustralia.com/shop/brake-fluid-reservoir-for-servo-mast...
call them what you like, that will fit on the beetle dual circuit master cylinder. Preferably a VW part, or made by ATE, or other OEM.
Thats the only info I'm after.
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| posted on June 24th, 2012 at 04:09 PM |
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Spacing the same but grommets different, although that can be sorted as well as there a different ones all through different model and year VW's
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| posted on June 24th, 2012 at 09:24 PM |
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The diameter of the spigots look too small for a Beetle MC compared to the size of the reservoir. I have seen this exact same thing in USA and UK for
Beetles and again I said to my engineer about it and again he said that as it's aftermarket and not OEM then getting it passed under the ADR may take
a lot of work.
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| posted on June 25th, 2012 at 09:07 AM |
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Spacing the same but grommets different, although that can be sorted as well as there a different ones all through different model and year VW's
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Thanks, I think I will just buy one, its only $20, then see if I can get OEM grommets to fit.
Otherwise we might have worked out a way to make the superbeetle dual reservoir to fit, hidden behind and accessed through, the round access flap on
the left side of the spare wheel well.
Vehicle inspectors in WA tend to be a bit more pragmatic about old cars, so we can only try.
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| posted on June 25th, 2012 at 05:42 PM |
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I have the dual circuit resivoir in the stock location on an early beetle
I'm playing master cylinders at the moment and will grab some pics of various grommets for you
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| posted on June 25th, 2012 at 06:03 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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I don't know what hose You would use to join them up...
Joel said He just used some sort of common hose to join the pipes and had no problems with it..
even a good quality rubber hose [fuel] or even the clear type hose may work... [works when doing the brakes]
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I'd use the correct blue hose where possible.
I have no idea what sort of hose that was I used, some sort of rubber fuel or small coolant hose.
I backed out of the shed and saw a puddle of brake fluid so just used whatever I had laying around at the time to get to work that day.
That was 12 years ago and it's still there  ,
out of sight out of mind.
Got a new master cylinder here to go in, I'll be finally replacing it properly.
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| posted on June 25th, 2012 at 10:56 PM |
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Proper hose is the blue cloth outer sheath stuff. It's expensive but still available. Trouble is it's too large a bore size for the single reservoir
outlet
Fine if you hide the dual reservoir tho
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| posted on June 26th, 2012 at 02:21 PM |
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yep, got some blue hose already. Bought a couple of metres a few months ago. Might have been from Just Kampers.
Would help if someone has experimented with grommets, that would be good info.
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| posted on June 26th, 2012 at 02:56 PM |
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What your trying won't work with anything VW make, ie master cyl.s have incompatable diameters between the grommets available, the hole in the m/c
and the diameter of the tubes on the type 2 remote res.
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| posted on June 26th, 2012 at 04:18 PM |
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Hi
I had a Empi "Volvo" one my bug, they fit on a stock Beetle master cylinder, I got rid of it as they are a pain to fill but maybe you you could use
one and have the stock single circuit one feeding into it.
Or you might be better off doing what Damo did and fitting a late reservoir in the stock location.
Steve
I ended up fitting these monsters and below is the Volvo one
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| posted on June 26th, 2012 at 05:08 PM |
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Oh, i just remembered. I saw some guy who got a second original metal single reservoir and placed them next to each other in the original position.
He went as far as nipping the lip off the top of each reservoir and welding them together so that the actual reservoir bodies had no gap between them.
Looked much nicer in smooth black gloss than white/opaque plastic
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