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| posted on November 7th, 2012 at 07:32 PM |
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Info and advice wanted for modern wheels on superbug
Hey everyone, getting everything ready for blues lip with my car now but after rego I want to get some modern and safe wheels. The wheels I want are
koya drift tek wheels and come in 17" or 18" and various widths and offsets.
Wanting to do something similar to Seb , Joel, Steve/David Carter have done and change the stud pattern.
What is the cheapest and best way to go about changing the stud pattern? I got discs on front and drums on rear and want to keep drums on rear until
down the track when I have some more coin for rear discs.
I have a 1972 superbug (IRS rear end) and want to keep the guards stock and I also want the wheels to have a bit of tuck on them as I will be lowering
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So the question is What is the best offset, diameter, width and stud pattern to make this happen?
Also if someone can tell me the breakdown of what parts I'll need to buy.
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| posted on November 7th, 2012 at 08:08 PM |
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The first thing will be, do you have narrow front struts? if you don't I won't think the wheels will come in 17 x 5.5 inch.
You need new blank front discs and new blank rear rotors. If your staying 4 stud, this should work ok, as webbing will be suited to 4 stud. If your
going 5 you need to consider exactly which drums/discs you need to maintain thickness.
Then its a matter of playing will wheel offset..... but the ones who have done it will be tbe best to solve your problems.
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| posted on November 7th, 2012 at 08:34 PM |
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For stock guards with a 7" rim you'll want et40 offset and like above you'll need some narrow coil struts unless you keep the fronts smaller than
15x6.
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| posted on November 7th, 2012 at 08:35 PM |
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Cheapest answer is a set of 16" Porche Boxster wheels
Perfect ET for a super
6" ET 50 and 7" ET 40
yeah yeah - not 18" - but they are cheap and they fit and they are OE Porsche
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| posted on November 7th, 2012 at 08:37 PM |
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Perfect for 2 bolt front end but no good for 3 bolt, would need about 20mm spacers.
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| posted on November 7th, 2012 at 08:38 PM |
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Pffft - there is ONLY 2 bolt 
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| posted on November 7th, 2012 at 08:46 PM |
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Yeah, you're right I can't see the harm in leaving one of the strut bolts off.
What could possibly go wrong? 
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| posted on November 7th, 2012 at 09:19 PM |
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Joel,
Okay thanks, so I'm guessing the combo will be 17x7 or 18x7 , et40 offset all round? Blank hubs drilled to the pattern and some coil overs from
Richard?
How's that sound Joel ? 
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| posted on November 7th, 2012 at 09:22 PM |
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the only problem i can see is your only allowed to go up to 16s without engineering.
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| posted on November 7th, 2012 at 09:30 PM |
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Yes that's true, but I'm not all that concerned when police aren't budging an eyelid at vans and Holden's that stock had 15's and there running
chrome 20's 
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 07:14 PM |
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Bizzare,
where is a good source for boxter 16's? been wathcing porsche car club websites and don't see them come up
Dylan,
With 18's your going to be running some pretty thin tyres. You aslo need to look at available tire sizes.
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 08:40 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Bizzare,
where is a good source for boxter 16's? been wathcing porsche car club websites and don't see them come up
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ebay
A set sold last Saturday for $100
Yes they were in Perth and pick up only but shipping to theeast would be $200 and $100 for him to glad wrap em together
They were with caps and rash free
$400 is the going price for wheels with caps
I paid $1,000 with 80% Michelins on them
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 08:53 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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With 18's your going to be running some pretty thin tyres. You aslo need to look at available tire sizes.
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You don't have to go that thin.
I don't normally recommend 18s for a bug, bit too big and give the hotwheels toy look but in saying that I have 18s on mine currently.
Not by choice but because I have them with good tyres.
Got 225/40s on them which fill out the bug gaurds well and still smaller in rolling diameter than stock 165s.
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| posted on November 9th, 2012 at 05:34 AM |
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the only problem i can see is your only allowed to go up to 16s without engineering.
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I haven'd heard that before.
In NSW they only worry about overall diameter increase.
Here are the regulations;
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi09_rev4.pdf
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
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| posted on November 9th, 2012 at 05:16 PM |
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I don't think teks come in the sizes yours going to need to clear inner & outer guards, cheat & run thick rubber instead of stock guard
beading if necessary, find them used, cheap china wheels are almost free once used
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| posted on November 9th, 2012 at 07:14 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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, cheap china wheels are almost free once used
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For good reasons
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| posted on November 9th, 2012 at 08:04 PM |
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that document only applies to cars after 73 by the way. a completely different set of rules apply to earlier.
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| posted on November 9th, 2012 at 08:10 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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that document only applies to cars after 73 by the way. a completely different set of rules apply to earlier.
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You need to read the document again.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
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| posted on November 9th, 2012 at 08:48 PM |
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Hi
I've read this document many times, its confusing in this part of the text
"The outside diameter of the wheel and tyre combination must be no more than 15mm over the largest diameter
wheel and tyre combination specified for the vehicle and not more than 15mm below"
Then it says this "Wheels that exceed the diameter and width limits for minor wheel changes must be assessed by a signatory"
Its talking about wheel diameters being exceeded, so can you only increase your wheel diameter by 15 mm? Who makes 15inch + 15 mm wheels.
Dylan my advice would be to buy some V Force spider wheels for the time being, changing stud patterns etc to suit new wheels is going to cost
money.
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 07:37 AM |
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It's wheel and tyre combination that can't change by more than 15mm Steve, so you could legally go from 15's to 17's or 18's if
you can find low enough profile rubber (good luck).
I looked into that "assessed by a signatory" thing for wheels before, and basically answer was they'd sign off for wider within reason but not
taller or shorter combo's.
Either way, I reckon the V Force wheels are a great option.
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 10:07 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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you could legally go from 15's to 17's or 18's if you can find low enough profile rubber (good luck).
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The problem is actually the opposite to what you would think.
155 and 165R15 VW tyres are f'king huge compared to modern tyres.
Very few people run 16-18 tyres even close to that size.
I've got 18" rims on mine at the moment with 225/40 tyres and even they are 7mm smaller than stock tyre size.
the common 17" 215/40 and 205/40 that most people run are 2" smaller in rolling diameter than stock.
really screws with the gearing and speedo.
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, cheap china wheels are almost free once used
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For good reasons
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Ah pffft you guys are full of it, Taiwan makes some of the most finely crafted rims money can buy....
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 11:09 PM |
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Alright, wheels aren't an easy subject, with width, offset, tyre sizes, it all gets a bit full on depending how deep you want to go.
Brakes are easy. If you want the best, go with BAD Series brakes from Airkewld. They are by far the best money can buy. I guess, if you don't want to
spend too much money, I heard Mr Sherman does some good kits. Don't by blank discs from CIP1, as they have webbing and when drilling to a different
stud pattern (other than a 4x1xx) as you'll have issues down the road. Sherman's kits don't have the webbing, and if you go Porsche/Chev pattern
from CIP1 they don't have any issues with the webbing either.
Airkewld brakes are a step up on both the aforementioned avenues. Pete actually offers an interchangeable hub system with his brakes. So, for example,
I currently have 5x114.3 discs at the front, but if I spend another $110 I can get two new hubs at whatever pattern I want. Pretty sweet hey? You
definitely get what you pay for that is for sure, quality on the Airkelwd brakes is unbelievable.
Also, depending on your PCD of brakes also depends on what your wheel options are. You need to keep this in mind when it comes to choosing wheels as
well. As well as the size, width and offset, you also need to consider material depending on the application. Obviously track wheels you want to be
lighter. If weight isn't a problem, then you don't need to take it into consideration when choosing a set.
DON'T BUY FAKE WHEELS! No matter how cheap they are, wheels are what is between you and the ground. Don't cheap out on brakes either, you can never
have enough stopping power in my opinion.
Now, obviously with struts we are limited with options, therefore offset is key, especially if you want to keep the wheels under the guards. You're
going to have to change your springs to fit wider wheels under the guards at the front as well.
Now, the easiest way to explain offset in my opinion is the higher the offset, the closer the inside of the wheel is to the inner guard. Depending on
how wide you go also depends on how close your wheel gets to the inner guard, and whether or not you get full lock. I have 7.5" wide wheels all
around, and I had to modify where the brake hose mounts to keep it from cutting up my tyre at full lock. I don't have any issues with the rears, and
they have enough camber to tuck under the rear. I'm probably at the lowest I recommend at the front, which is a 2.5" drop with Topline MaXX struts,
any lower and it would be un-drivable.
I have been told that the widest I should have gone at the front is 6 inches. This is because of the lack of weight at the front. Nothing a bag of
cement can't fix. But I digress, 16x7.5" with a +35ET sit awesomely in the guards, and only a minor modification was needed to get it to stop
hitting the brake hose clip... I'll have to get a picture of it to explain properly.
I bought three piece wheels, just in case I needed to modify them with sizes. I could have re-barrelled the wheels, changed the lips if need be, I
wanted that security of being able to modify them if need be. Thankfully I didn't have too.
If you don't want the hassles I've just mentioned, your best bet is keeping the current brake setup, grabbing some Topline MaXX struts, and some of
the Spyder wheels from Richard at VForce. Looks the goods. Otherwise, be prepared to have to do a bit of modifying to get some mad wheels under the
guards and a lot of research too.
Now that, that is a long winded response! Hope it all makes sense. Good luck!
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| posted on November 11th, 2012 at 09:23 PM |
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Ah pffft you guys are full of it, Taiwan makes some of the most finely crafted rims money can buy....
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Oh no, are they the Lite 7's you spent ages trying to find?
How did this happen?
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| posted on November 12th, 2012 at 08:35 AM |
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They are just another set of Speedy rims I also have and in all fairness any alloy wheel would have broken with the hit they took courtesy of the
North Coasts beautifully maintained roads 
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| posted on November 12th, 2012 at 03:26 PM |
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I have ordered a set of wheels from image wheels in the UK, number 91 on this page, they will make any diameter and et, they will change any wheel
they make to suit your requirements and landed in australia they are $600 cheaper than the ROH composite's.
http://www.imagewheels.co.uk/pages/wheels_billet.html
As one of the previous post stated, if you want the best brakes by the bad brakes, they cannot be concidered as a performance brake as they are not
ventilated and some of them still use the standard front caliper, you can get vented front rotors that fit staight on to the beetle spindle along with
six spot calipers, all bolt straight on.
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| posted on November 12th, 2012 at 07:54 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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If you want the best, go with BAD Series brakes from Airkewld. They are by far the best money can buy.
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Consider the CSP brake kits, everything of theirs is engineered to perfection and approved / certified to bits. TuV approval says it all.
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