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 barls
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 02:31 PM |
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How do shockless beams work?
its just running them with out shocks. its not only illegal but down right stupid. would you drive any other kind of car with only part of the
suspension it originally came with fitted.
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 03:11 PM |
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posted by barls
its just running them with out shocks. its not only illegal but down right stupid. would you drive any other kind of car with only part of the
suspension it originally came with fitted.
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I figured as much, an no, wouldnt run them. Was just curious, seeing as alot of the VW shops still sell them.
Cheers Barls.
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 03:28 PM |
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Its all to do with a certain look, you narrow the beam so far so the shocks do not fit, just leave them off. any reduction of track is illeagal and
dangerous.
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 03:35 PM |
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No shocks is a sideshow ride ... bounce, bounce, bounce 
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 04:59 PM |
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each to their own i say, if you dont like it dont do it, no need to have a bitch about it time after time, you know what they say about opinions
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 06:13 PM |
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each to their own i say, if you dont like it dont do it, no need to have a bitch about it time after time, you know what they say about opinions
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A lot of the "COOL" kids do crack as well!
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 06:36 PM |
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Can any one of the clowns that think this is acceptable give me a sound engineering reason why they do it, other than the look, it's all well and
good until you are charged with culpable driving after a serious accident.
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 07:52 PM |
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He asked a question and it got answered!!!!!
I cant remember seeing anything about the legal side of it in his question.
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 08:28 PM |
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he did mention it in his post which he seems to have deleted.
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 08:32 PM |
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I stand corrected!!!!
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 09:47 PM |
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From the sounds of it the 'shocks' are still there  
Given the opinions haha.
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| posted on November 8th, 2012 at 10:37 PM |
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he did mention it in his post which he seems to have deleted.
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I found a Samba thread which answered my question soon after I posted it initially, it answered my question (and revealed a shit fight with regards to
safety etc) so i deleted my initial post to avoid the above, haha. Barls was too quick for me though and the thread lived on.
Sorry.
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| posted on November 9th, 2012 at 05:22 PM |
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So, it's illegal and stupid - apart from that?
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| posted on November 9th, 2012 at 05:29 PM |
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Its cool as shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| posted on November 9th, 2012 at 06:14 PM |
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Big in US and UK...
where they must drive on super flat roads... lol
Having worn out shock absorbers is dangerous when braking
so having none... ??
and as said its about the look... Nose down..
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 06:41 AM |
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Have any of u pipe n slipper guys ever driven a car without shocks , probably not so no experience to comment on it haha
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 06:46 AM |
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Pipe and slipper guys!!!!!!
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 07:13 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Have any of u pipe n slipper guys ever driven a car without shocks , probably not so no experience to comment on it haha
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Me! My 1923 Vauxhall 23/60 had NO shocks from new. It also only had brakes on the rear wheels.
After fitting shocks [from a Nissan Patrol] to the rear, I could stop the car in about half the distance, as the tyres were in contact with the road
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 10:27 AM |
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Still waiting for the narrow beam/no shock supporters to give a sound engineering reason why you would reduce the safety of there vehicle doing this,
there is down side to all the illegal modifications, if there is enough back yard mods the aurthorities will eventually stop all modifiation's, i
make the effort to modify all my vehicles through a engineer so i can gain insurance and be able to drive the car legally.
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 10:35 AM |
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I have 4.5 narrowed beam in my split and I challenge any stock legal split to safely go around a bend as fast as I can. But yes I do run shocks.
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 10:49 AM |
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No shocks = no brain
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 03:57 PM |
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4.5 inch reduction in track and it will go round the bend as fast as a standard width beam, that's pretty funny, if the standard front end has the
same set up as yours it would win by default, with the added bonus of being legal.
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 04:12 PM |
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Wasnt saying that it was the best set up for handling, just that it handles better and would be safer than stock.
Doesnt your KG have a narrowed beam?
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 05:36 PM |
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Wasnt saying that it was the best set up for handling just thats it handles better
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Ah yes, that clarifies matters.... now I'll just put on my pipe and lights my slippers...
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 05:50 PM |
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yeah ok..
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 06:53 PM |
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Yes it does and it is being replaced this trip home from work and a set of composite wheel fitted that will restore the correct track and scrub radius
and fix the other issue that arise when you fit a wheel with the wrong offset to a car, i purchased the car with it fitted and has always been my
intention to remove it as soon as possible, i will be looking foward to the improvment in the handling and the reduction in wear of all the front end
components
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 07:06 PM |
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change in track IS legal in QLD within a certain amount. Can't remember off the top of me head the measurement.
Only reason to narrow a beam is on a LP Beetle that you want to run a front disc brake setup. Bout the only way you can use front discs and keep the
tyres inside the arches.
UK and USA they aren't allowed to run without shox as yearly MOT guys will ream them one but it's easy to just use mini shox with rosejoint upper
shox mount.
Obviously won't go round corners as quick as a std track Beetle but they still work pretty darn well 
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 09:55 PM |
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narrowing the leaf springs will make the front end firmer , like the effects of having a swaybar ...more u narrow the firmer it gets , and generally
you lower the bus aswell so lower centre of gravity and fit drop spindles =near stock suspention travel...hope you realize that all the bus guys only
fit this to show or track busses , never on the rd ...never as were all purists and love reduction hubs and 4 wheel drums
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| posted on November 10th, 2012 at 10:03 PM |
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guys we arent discussing narrowed beams but shockless beams. anyone with an engineering point of view? already put my point across which is shared by
others.
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| posted on November 11th, 2012 at 07:24 AM |
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you can get LP disc brake conversions that do not increase the track negating the need to narrow the beam, fit the correct off set wheels and maintain
the correct geometry. i have just bought some tarox vented rotors in 5 x 130 to suit my new link pin beam, no increase in track.
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