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| posted on November 21st, 2012 at 06:34 PM |
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Yet another steering question..
I know, I know.... We've all read the various threads on steering rack conversions into early bays, but I have yet to see this question come
up....
Forget all the kits out there.... In this country I'd be up for $2500+ for either the Red9 or the CE versions.... And frankly, neither of the float
my boat... I have seen some home brewed setups using various steering racks that are not available in this country, so this begs the question...
Why can't a complete non-power steering rack out of a T25/3 be modded fitted to a Bay?
I have access to as complete bevel box, uni links and steering rack for nix, and I have a very neat 68 Micro (Dec 67 build) that is in dire need of a
steering box upgrade/repair/replacement....
I have fitted a 80mm narrowed LP Beam with adjusters and drop spindles for reference, so this might make a difference....
So I leave it with you gurus.....Can it be done?
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| posted on November 21st, 2012 at 07:57 PM |
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There is no reason it can't be done, think the only reason people shy away is the engineering side of it. it costs money, there are alot of numbers
and drawing to be done to prove bump steer and now days pretty sure a test drive? As far as an early bay is concerned, because of the center pivot
point the hard work is done becaise this is already the "perfect spot" ( unless heavyly raised or lowered) when in the straight ahead position the
center of the ball joints of the new rack must be in the same plane as the center of the ball joints now. there are plenty of options to mount to the
beam of a combi
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| posted on November 21st, 2012 at 10:46 PM |
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Yeah the centre mount of the tierod ends is the go....
In that regard, I have found another option..... I'm attempting to source one of these....
It's off a MK2 or MK3 Vauxhall Astra.
Not available here, but are very common in the UK.....
But powered ones are available here.... I think a powered one can be adapted to work without power.
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| posted on November 22nd, 2012 at 05:27 AM |
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Lookes the same as the daewoo or camira rack to me and you can indeed use a power rack unpowered. that what i have in mine because lock to lock on the
manual rack was 4 1/2 turns (3 1/2 for the power )
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| posted on November 22nd, 2012 at 07:17 AM |
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you can retro fit late bay steering boxes into a lowlight , easier to get and work nicely ..but passat rack may work too
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| posted on November 23rd, 2012 at 02:32 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by nils
Lookes the same as the daewoo or camira rack to me and you can indeed use a power rack unpowered. that what i have in mine because lock to lock on the
manual rack was 4 1/2 turns (3 1/2 for the power )
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Perfect....
Cheers for that.... Now to source one.
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| posted on November 23rd, 2012 at 02:54 PM |
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Have you fitted it Nils?
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| posted on November 23rd, 2012 at 03:50 PM |
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Hi
I read somewhere about using a L300 Missinbits racks are doable and they have a bevel box I think.
Steve
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| posted on November 23rd, 2012 at 05:21 PM |
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Mate keep us posted on your progress as this will be very interesting. Is that a sidewinder exhaust hanging out of the lowie?
"Obey your Dreams"!
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65 11 wnd Split "The Cross".
6? coming very soon!!!!
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| posted on November 23rd, 2012 at 08:27 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Have you fitted it Nils?
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Yeah mate, I've been running it for years now. Will try and dig up some photos of the mods required. (photobucket is being a pain at the moment)
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| posted on November 24th, 2012 at 01:47 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Mate keep us posted on your progress as this will be very interesting. Is that a sidewinder exhaust hanging out of the lowie?
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Yeah it is a sidewinder.... One of the chinese knockoff ones from Wolfsburg Automotive.... Very nicely made, but contrary to what their advert says,
it does not fit a Bay..... Since my bus is low, I wanted max ground clearance, so I made my own rear mount that tucks up and through the header, plus
I redid the muffler box.... Moved that up closer to the chassis and further forward to clear the engine mount.
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Yeah mate, I've been running it for years now. Will try and dig up some photos of the mods required. (photobucket is being a pain at the moment)
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That would be awesome.... Cheers.
Good tip on the 'Bitsamissing' rack idea Steve.... A little late though. 
Picked up the Camira rack yesterday.... Paid a massive 40 bux for it.... Came with tie-rods, coupler and all hard line and mounting hardware!
Got the Bus bevel box for nothing.... Just need to source some small unijoints... I have a LBug wreck down the farm, but I might look as some other
options before I pull that car down.
Once I have all the parts together I'll start a build thread....
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| posted on November 27th, 2012 at 06:42 PM |
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I was thinking about this today, and the mods required to put the rack in a beetle may actually not be required in a bus because the steering wheel is
infront of the beam. Infact I am having a problem picturing how to run the joint between to steering shaft and the rack ( lots of uni's perhaps?) and
then, because you are approching from the front, is the steering actually going the right way? might want to check this out humpty. Other wise you
actually have a better choice of rack that use beetle boys.
Couple of pics that might help
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 12:54 AM |
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Since I have next to no coin in this, it's worth the R&D to test the idea.... The rotation and direction of the rack is a concern obviously....
The rack I have is a local product, so is a rhd unit.... I plan to rotate the unit and fit it behind the beam.... This will place the drive in a
forward position and central between the torsion tubes.... I don't know for certain, but I think the T3 bevel box actualy changes the drive
ration..... This should work in my favour I think.... The T3 Bus bevel box will be place where the steering box is normally located.... This will send
the steering drive to the rear and link to the rack via two small steering uni's.... The mockup will determine whether the steering actually turns in
the right direction!
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| posted on November 30th, 2012 at 11:21 PM |
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Just mocked up the rack on a spare BJ Bus beam and all is good.... The only issue would possibly be the shock clearance on one end of the rack....
Also mocked up the T3 bevel box to the rack and all turned at is should.... The right direction and all!!!!.....This is all looking very good
indeed.
Just need to source some Super Bug steering uni's....
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| posted on December 1st, 2012 at 08:56 AM |
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Nice Bus , please keep up the build thread. Mitchell
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| posted on December 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 PM |
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Picked up this....
And placed the Camira rack on the old bj beam in the rough location....
The only major issue I can see is the close proximity of the rhs shock...
Obviously the LP beam on my low-light will be a little different, but this does give me a good idea of how things will work.
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| posted on December 3rd, 2012 at 04:49 AM |
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Yikes. i had no idea that the bus beam was that narrow. On the beetle i cut the tower off to make it fit
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