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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 09:21 AM |
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Drop Spindles Question
Ok so i have a 59 beetle but the last owner apparently has put it on a 67 pan, as it has diskbrakes and 4stud.
I want to get drop spindles for the front but iam not sure if ill need to replace the tie rod ends or anything else as well?
I have attached a photo of my front suspention stuff, if anyone can recommend a good set and tell me what i will need to change?
Cheers, Tristan
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 09:51 AM |
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http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=4061
If every thing is in good condition you will only to change the spindles, you might find a few worn parts when you get the old spindles removed, that
will be the time to replace them, Get the CB spindles as they are one of the best, unfortunatly they are not legal in australia.
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 10:00 AM |
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Thats ok about the legalitly ill live :P cheers mate!
Those parts say this tho "Machined for use with larger 1969 & later tie rod ends"
So will it really fit without changing the 67 tie rod ends?
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 11:17 AM |
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Where did you get 67 from. Ball joint is 68 on but 69 tie rod ends got bigger. You won't know what model the front end parts are untill disassembly,
as even if your pan and even beam is later, the stubs/tie rod ends could have been swapped at some stage for what ever reason....
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 12:42 PM |
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Iam new to all this VW stuff haha and wouldnt have a clue!!
I had an engineers report saying it was 59shell with 67pan.
But the whole car is a random puzzle has 59shell with 68 gaurds 1500cc instead of 1300 ect ect. lol
Can anyone tell if its ball joint or link pin from that pic? or do u want me to jack it right up and take a photo of the whole front beam?
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 02:33 PM |
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That's a 68 and later Balljoint front end.
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 02:46 PM |
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you can use the spindle that i posted the link to, if there are any differences in the car like the steering ball joint as matt said you will have to
change them at the time
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 04:01 PM |
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Yea its my daily thats all bit off stuffing around if i cant use it....lucky i got a motorbike!!!
Ill order those CB ones !! Thanks for all the help!
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 04:32 PM |
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Dont get caught up with getting stuff from overseas. you may be better off contacting a local shop and get them to help you out. If your not 100% sure
what you need you may pay alot more in the end!!!!!!!
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 06:37 PM |
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I buy from overseas all the time, you just have to be confident it is what you want, if you wish to pay a premium for the same part in Australia that
fine, it's not for me, i buy engine parts, brakes, i just ordered a set of composite wheels from the UK, in the twenty years i have been bringing
parts in i have never had a problem, just have to know what you want and find a shop in the US who is helpfull, if you get the CB spindles get them
from pierside parts http://www.piersideparts.net/ as they are a CB seller,
cheaper post through them, there site lets you calculate the freight before you buy so you know how much it will cost, do a comparison for the same
part here. cost from pierside delivered through USPS is $295.
http://www.piersideparts.net/CB4061x.html
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 08:07 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vwo60
http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=4061
If every thing is in good condition you will only to change the spindles, you might find a few worn parts when you get the old spindles removed, that
will be the time to replace them, Get the CB spindles as they are one of the best, unfortunatly they are not legal in australia.
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I'm not suprised the most well made drop spindels aren't legal but exactly why?
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 08:12 PM |
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DROP SPINDLES
VW060 , ill informed once again , I have the CB spindles in stock @ $ 240 , so you are so against the Australian suppliers you don't know how much
you can save . I personally have used the CB cast spindles and found them to flex too much , so I would recomend the forged cro-moly units I use and
sell here @ $ 270 a set . One day you may just wake up and support the people that support the Australian VW scene instead of always directing people
away from the people that support the very forum you are so dead against supporting ROD .
More boost + More fuel = More power
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 08:24 PM |
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For once you can get something cheaper here, if you remember rod i tried to buy some sway bars of you with a initial email, a phone call, other email
and then another phone call, all to be meet with a promise that you were not like the other resellers in Australia, i eventually emailed you and
appologised to you for waisting your time after a month of trying to spend my money in Australia. and that is the reason why i will not support a lot
of australian resellers, if you read my post you would have seen i also encouraged the checking of prices in Australia before the purchase overseas
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 08:35 PM |
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VW060 , Shayne , I was warned about you and will not deal with you because of the way you are . I have seen 30 + posts on this forum from you saying
that the Australian suppliers are way too expensive and are double the price . I resent that and I will garantee you there will be nothing on my
website that will be nowhere double the price , I think you shoud be supporting the Australian VW scene by recomending Australian suppliers first and
the US as an option . I will not create a debate on this thread , but instead take my concerns to the moderators for their actions , ROD.
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 08:43 PM |
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VW060 Read what i said!!!!!! This guy is not 100% sure what he needs. 1 photo is not enough to go on. He is obviously not confident in what he is
buying so stop being a douch and give some good advise for once!!!! Tristanm you will be supprised what info and deals and service you can get if you
go and talk to real people in the buisness. There sre a lot of keybord mechanics around. Were you from???? Maybe someone on here in your area can
point you towards somwone that can give you real advise instead of a web site!!!!!
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 08:59 PM |
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I've been dealing with Rod lately, and if he has what your after don't hesitate to pick up the phone and ring. Helped me out heaps!
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| posted on November 29th, 2012 at 06:02 AM |
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I tried to geniunly deal with you Rod, as for being warned about me, what more hearsay, you no nothing about me at all but you might have been the one
to change my opinion about a lot of resellers in Australia and the negitive treament that i have received over the years when trying to support there
bussiness's, i was trying to support an Australian bussiness when i made the genuine equiry for the parts from you and got absolutly no support in
return, All got was that you were looking into it, If you had been warned about me why did you not tell me that you did not want to do bussiness with
me, that would have been the ethicial thing to do instead of leading me on, A bussiness has to earn customer loyalty, i emailed, i phoned, but after a
month of not being supported i took my bussiness elseway, it arrived from the states in 5 days, i cannot even say if the parts iimported were actually
cheaper as i never received a price after a month of asking, The company i got the parts from abviously know about service and value there customer
and provide a excellent service, it is now a global economy and the net has changed everything, the opersition for resellers in Australia is overseas
and in 95% of all my purchases they have always been conciderably cheaper, i think that when i buy as many parts as i do i have a right to have a
comment on the subject, most prices here are far to expensive when you do the maths, I have never said that the parts you sell are double the price,
but many bussinesses are, i needed a internal alterator regulator, so i phoned around, found one in victoria and was quoted $50 for a second hand one,
got a new one out of the States for $11.19 plus postage $11.00, So what is next, Go to the moderators to have me banned, nothing like freedom of
speach, let's get censorship in place, as for whathaveidone, one photo is more that enough to get the part required and the advice i gave is sound,
read what i wrote.
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| posted on November 29th, 2012 at 07:48 AM |
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What the Hell is going on here?
Someone asks a question - then reponses are given based on the person's experience. It is then up to the person asking the question to make up their
own mind as to what is good advice and what is shit.
I have had both good and bad experiences from local resellers and happy to name them as things seem to be getting pretty personal here.
In general customer service in Australia is substandard - just recently I went to purchase caliper rebuild kits for my porsche calipers - ended up
getting them landed here from the UK before I even got a response from a business in Australia and 40% cheaper.
I will always try and by locally first - but if the service is crap and the price way over the top, you won't get my repeat business.
"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"
PS: I noted recently in a sale of a very expensive engine - that the seller who owns a local VW business had the engine and gearbox built overseas
when there is plenty of local expertise here - How about practising what you preach.
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| posted on November 30th, 2012 at 06:23 AM |
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i predict the end to this thread very shortly, has gone way off track and is rapidly deteriorating into a street fight/all in brawl.
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| posted on November 30th, 2012 at 07:08 AM |
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I too try and usually purchase local before importing
however some local providers still think we are in the 70's or something and must still advertise in the trading post? however us the punters have
all moved on and sorted a better deal - funny that
it's also funnier, as these providers use the www to no doubt source their wares to flog to the unsuspecting, and hope that the punter is still using
dial up if they are on the net it seems
you do the wrong thing by a customer or a number of customers, everyone will know as many here and everywhere talk and either recommend or warn off
potential customers
oz is too small a market to fecal in your own nest as the economies of scale don't relate when compared to the US or Euro, so it is interesting to
see will all this will end up..
it doesn't seem healthy to be wielding the 'dob into a mod' BS if you get sand in your vagina.. honestly who cares, move on and have a coke and a
smile and ....
there are plenty of other forums full of BS rules and gullible punters, let's not bring their vibe here..
peace out 
observation - it seems censorship is alive and well..
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| posted on November 30th, 2012 at 12:47 PM |
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Hey H I had a beer not a coke!!!!
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| posted on November 30th, 2012 at 01:39 PM |
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I tried to geniunly deal with you Rod, as for being warned about me, what more hearsay, you no nothing about me at all but you might have been the one
to change my opinion about a lot of resellers in Australia and the negitive treament that i have received over the years when trying to support there
bussiness's, i was trying to support an Australian bussiness when i made the genuine equiry for the parts from you and got absolutly no support in
return, All got was that you were looking into it, If you had been warned about me why did you not tell me that you did not want to do bussiness with
me, that would have been the ethicial thing to do instead of leading me on, A bussiness has to earn customer loyalty, i emailed, i phoned, but after a
month of not being supported i took my bussiness elseway, it arrived from the states in 5 days, i cannot even say if the parts iimported were actually
cheaper as i never received a price after a month of asking, The company i got the parts from abviously know about service and value there customer
and provide a excellent service, it is now a global economy and the net has changed everything, the opersition for resellers in Australia is overseas
and in 95% of all my purchases they have always been conciderably cheaper, i think that when i buy as many parts as i do i have a right to have a
comment on the subject, most prices here are far to expensive when you do the maths, I have never said that the parts you sell are double the price,
but many bussinesses are, i needed a internal alterator regulator, so i phoned around, found one in victoria and was quoted $50 for a second hand one,
got a new one out of the States for $11.19 plus postage $11.00, So what is next, Go to the moderators to have me banned, nothing like freedom of
speach, let's get censorship in place, as for whathaveidone, one photo is more that enough to get the part required and the advice i gave is sound,
read what i wrote.
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It does have commas so you can take a breath!
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| posted on November 30th, 2012 at 03:15 PM |
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right enough on the import vs local parts suppliers. back to the question
anyone else want to give some advice on what he may or may not need
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| posted on November 30th, 2012 at 06:13 PM |
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HI, i will add my 2 cents worth.
Cant help with specifics for other peoples cars but,
We purchased 1 of those drop spindle/disk brake kits for a king pin front (You know the brand that every body complains about) awhile ago.
We took our time and replaced king and link pins,and all went together fairly trouble free.
Yes the flexible brake lines were too short.(local brake place made some longer ones for us).
So far so good,nothing has failed.
On a seperate note,this post sure has some emotion,almost as much as the posts about body sound proofing
Oh and we did buy local for the kit,and we do buy from the states for the simpler, smaller , less technical parts.
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| Quote: | Originally
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Iam new to all this VW stuff haha and wouldnt have a clue!!
I had an engineers report saying it was 59shell with 67pan.
But the whole car is a random puzzle has 59shell with 68 gaurds 1500cc instead of 1300 ect ect. lol
Can anyone tell if its ball joint or link pin from that pic? or do u want me to jack it right up and take a photo of the whole front beam?
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Hi
it looks like a 1968> on front end...
[looks like My brakes, ball joints and tie rod end..]
and 4 stud is also later than 1967...
although it May have been made in late 1967 which means its a VW 1968 Model beetle..
the actual year doesn't mean much.. lol as VW started making the next years model After 1st August in Germany & later in Australian made
beetles.
Your car is certainly a mixed bag...
but then many beetles are, as bits can be fitted/bolted on, from many models....
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Yes Paul, i deleted your comments because they were just shit stirring comments that added nothing of value to an already heated conversation.
Agreed that vwo60, you dont need to constantly rubbish local business or the way people do things if they don't meet your "engineering standards".
Your post history reflects this and it's getting old, each to their own ok?
Take your issues to PM's please guys, as all this does is invite other ill informed members to climb on the bandwagon.
Tristan asked a good question, now lets give him some great useful advice without the personal distaste.
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It does have commas so you can take a breath!
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im a big fan of the commas
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I suppose it all comes down to how long you are going to keep the car for,and how much you want to spend.Ive got the cheap drop spindle set up that
people complain about too,and had a problem with a bearing ,the inner welded its self to the axle and was a hard job to fix.Having now heard more i
wish i went the cb forged spindles and wilwood drakes,i hate to do things twice but so be it eventually.Drive it to a vw shop and ask them what you
have.Im not confident in buying parts either,dont know if cb works with wilwood etc
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| posted on December 2nd, 2012 at 08:00 PM |
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Yea thanks for all the help guys, probs just go the CB ones really aint that much more $$$, might have to put it on the backburner tho might be
getting another beetle shell to play with haha
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