Subject: Updated Rules for Buying, Selling and Swapping Cars
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posted on July 3rd, 2004 at 03:34 PM
Updated Rules for Buying, Selling and Swapping Cars
This is Buying and Selling's last chance before we close this section down.
The Rules
The Buying, Selling, and Swapping Cars section is for trading and finding whole cars and cars for wrecking only. If you post goods or want to buy ads
here after the start date (20/12/2004), you hereby accept these conditions.
The first post of a thread must contain the following details:
Seller's Name – first name is all that is required, not a nickname or login etc. Suburb and Post Code – suburb name in full and postcode of suburb so no confusion between states/ cities Item Description including Brand – Much info as possible, include brand if known. Condition – Picture is best but if no picture is available than be as descriptive as you can Item Cost - $10 000 ono
If you are in NSW, it's illegal not to provide:
* if registered - Registration number.
* if unregistered - Chassis & Engine Number. It's good karma in all other states and territories to provide this.
Anything else you wish to include.
BY LAW, sellers are obligated to provide their phone numbers to the person who is buying the goods in NSW. Despite reservations, we
have decided that this can be done via u2u once the sale is agreed. You are welcome to put your phone number in your ad.
If a thread does not contain the information from the above template, it will be deleted without warning.
If a seller does not supply their phone number to the buyer after a sale is agreed, this is grounds for them being banned from Buying and Selling
permanently.
If the seller posts incorrect details such as suburb, postcode, or similar, then this is grounds for the seller being banned from Buying and Selling
permanently.
If a post contains parts, chit chat, hijacking, complaints, or tech questions, it will deleted without warning
The above are the rules. If we get compaints, we shut this section down. DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT GETTING YOUR GRASS MOWED BY SOMEONE WHO JUMPED THE
QUEUE. WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO SORT IT OUT, and more to the point, we don't care. Sort it out amongst yourselves via U2U or offline.
Guidelines for Buying and Selling
These are not rules but please try to stick to them as it helps everyone.
When buyers (or sellers) contact you, please make an effort to answer their enquiries in a reasonable time (say 24 hours) or note in the post that you
do not look at your e-mail all that often.
Once you have posted an item for sale, it is customary to give the first person who indicates a genuine interest first option on it. If they simply
ask questions, this is not a genuine interest.
If your sale has different rules (ie "First person to show up with the cash gets the item and I am not willing to ship"), then state this in the
ad.
If you say you will take it, or it is sold then you are obliged (by law) to complete the deal as outlined. If you change your mind or circumstances
change then at least let the seller know and be prepared to cop the flack associated with reneging on a deal.
Guidelines for commercial traders
For sellers whose primary business is the sale of goods or services
The Commonwealth Trade Practices Act and your state's Fair Trading / Sale of Goods act (or similar) apply, just as if someone bought from you across
the counter. You must put in a price of the goods you have for sale, along with indicative shipping costs.
If you do a lot of business here, please consider sponsoring the forum to offset our operating costs. It's cheap.
Suggested Condition Descriptions
These are the same as The Samba's Conditions.
Excellent - A close to perfect original or a very well restored vehicle. Generally a body-off restoration, but a well done body-on restoration that
has been fully detailed may qualify. The vehicle is stunning to look at and any flaws are trivial and not readily apparent. Everything works as new.
All equipment is original, NOS, or excellent quality reproductions.
Very Good - An extremely presentable vehicle showing minimal wear, or a well restored vehicle. Runs and drives smooth and tight. Needs no mechanical
or cosmetic work. All areas (chassis not required, but may be) have been fully detailed. Beautiful to look at but clearly below a #1 vehicle.
Good - Presentable inside and out with some signs of wear. Not detailed but very clean. Body should be straight and solid with no apparent rust and
absolutely no rust-through anywhere. Shiny, attractive paint but may have evidence of minor fading or checking or other imperfections. Runs and drives
well. May need some minor mechanical or cosmetic work but is fully usable and enjoyable as is.
Fair - Runs and drives OK but needs work throughout the vehicle. Body shows signs of wear or previous restoration work. Any rust should be minimal and
not in any structural areas. Cosmetics, body, and mechanics all need work to some degree.
Poor - In need of complete restoration, but is complete and not a rust bucket beyond repair. May or may not run and drive. Not roadworthy.
Parts or Salvage - Incomplete vehicle most useful for parts
If you choose to ignore these guidelines, please don't be surprised when people just ignore your sale posts.
Legalese
Aussieveedubbers provides this service for free. We try to help on a best efforts basis, but you may not demand anything of us - we
are a volunteer effort doing this entirely in our own time for free. We want to chat about Volkswagens, not stress out from angst from something we do
for free.
Limitation of liabilities
By using this service after 20/12/2004, you agree that:
* We are not a commercial trading organization
* we are not liable for anything posted here
* we do not know about the condition of anything posted here - you need to check that to your satisfaction before you buy
* You cannot hold us liable for your purported losses (of any type) if we screw up, or refuse or fail to assist you in any way
You can hold us liable for the cost of the services provided to you, and no more. As you pay us precisely $0, this means you hold us not liable for
any damages or losses as you haven't paid for a service from us. We may choose to let you advertise again at our discretion, but we are just as
likely to ban you if you really cause us massive pain.
We don't do this for a living and we're not here 24/7. If you need certainty, you are welcome to use eBay or the Trading Post where people are paid
to help you out.
Governing Law
This forum operates and is governed under Victorian law. The relevant stakeholder lives in regional Victoria, and thus any matter will be dealt with
there.
However, we are reasonable people who just want to chat about Volkswagens, and thus talk to us first as it'll save a lot of time and money.
Date
These rules apply as of 20th December, 2004.
The Management
Changelog:
3 July 2004 - added NSW rego issue. Thanks HotRodMatt
13 December 2004 - relaxed requirement for phone number in the first post and popped in clarity for the other sections
