Moving Indicators

Als1967Type1 Casual Dubber

31 posts · joined Nov 2011 · 6 Feb 2013, 5:16 pm

#942478

Hi,
was just wondering if anyone had ever tried to get a beetle through rego after moving the indicator from the top of the guard into an early headlight. For my Brother in Laws 61 as he likes the look of the clean guards.
Any advice would be appreciated.

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 6 Feb 2013, 10:05 pm

#942537

Nope. ADR rules state the indicator must be visible from the side of the vehicle especially is the vehicle originally came with indicators that were visible from the side.

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joesbuell Seriously Crusin Dubber

190 posts · joined Sep 2011 · 7 Feb 2013, 8:49 am

#942573

Mine passed with my mods. But I made side markers.

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 7 Feb 2013, 10:12 am

#942582

Hi

Maybe hook up some motor bike blinkers for rego.

The ADRs must not apply to modern cars, so many times I come to a roundabout and cant see a modern cars indicators, they are sometimes obscured by reflections on the headlight surface or by bad design.

Steve

Als1967Type1 Casual Dubber

31 posts · joined Nov 2011 · 7 Feb 2013, 7:06 pm

#942647

psimitar wrote:Nope. ADR rules state the indicator must be visible from the side of the vehicle especially is the vehicle originally came with indicators that were visible from the side.

Was it only the American models that had the indicator in the headlight? Did the Australian model have a front indicator?

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 7 Feb 2013, 7:16 pm

#942649

Hi

The American early Beetles with sealed beams had park light bulb in the base.

Steve

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 7 Feb 2013, 7:28 pm

#942653

1303Steve wrote:The ADRs must not apply to modern cars, so many times I come to a roundabout and cant see a modern cars indicators, they are sometimes obscured by reflections on the headlight surface or by bad design.

Steve

i agree steve. so many times i look at them and think how the hell did that get approved.

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psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 7 Feb 2013, 10:04 pm

#942688

1303Steve wrote:Hi

The ADRs must not apply to modern cars, so many times I come to a roundabout and cant see a modern cars indicators, they are sometimes obscured by reflections on the headlight surface or by bad design.

Steve

Yes but selling these vehicles is good for the economy and so such things can be passed over. Just like the wheel spacers used on Porsches are legal under the ADR but the exact same spacers would be illegal used on any other vehicle with a porsche stud pattern 🙂

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vwo60 Veteran Volks Folk

2,036 posts · joined Feb 2007 · 8 Feb 2013, 9:59 am

#942746

The spacers used on the porsche's are obviously engineered by porsche to work on there car and as such are on the vehicle when they are approved, a bit different to just anybody putting a set on there car because the wheels did not fit. after all it the other cars do not have the porsche suspension they are disigned to work with.

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 · 8 Feb 2013, 12:22 pm

#942762

Als1967Type1 wrote:Was it only the American models that had the indicator in the headlight? Did the Australian model have a front indicator?

No bug was ever like that originally, it's just a mod lots of owners have done over the years, turning the parkers into indicators, more often in places like US were vehicle modifications aren't policed.

Aussie models had semaphores till 60 then guard top indicators from then on

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 8 Feb 2013, 10:33 pm

#942832

vwo60 wrote:The spacers used on the porsche's are obviously engineered by porsche to work on there car and as such are on the vehicle when they are approved, a bit different to just anybody putting a set on there car because the wheels did not fit. after all it the other cars do not have the porsche suspension they are disigned to work with.

Technically if the spacer has been designed to withstand it's intended use then if that spacer were to be used on a Beetle or Kombi with the porsche stud pattern then there really is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to be used.

As for aftermarket spacers they just need to be made correctly to be allowed for use too and that's where things fall down.

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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 9 Feb 2013, 7:34 am

#942853

Hi

What model Porsche used wheel spacers? I have the Porsche parts program PET on my computer and I cant find a listing for wheel spacers.

Steve

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 9 Feb 2013, 6:39 pm

#942926

I think it was the 993 version of the 911 but know it's a fat arsed model of the 911 from the last 6-7 years.

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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 9 Feb 2013, 8:22 pm

#942946

psimitar wrote:Nope. ADR rules state the indicator must be visible from the side of the vehicle especially is the vehicle originally came with indicators that were visible from the side.

Yes, Late model Lancers [past few years] have the blinker in front of the headlamp and My Son noticed people didn't seem to know where he was turning...
because of the headlamps being On..
He has them on all the time...

Early Beetle headlamps with the blinker in front of the headlamp reflector are illegal and wont be passed by most mechanics..

they are nearly impossible to see in the daytime...
unless You know where to look... lol
look great at night with the headlamps OFF.. lol

motorbike or small LED blinkers under the front bumpers are OK... so long as they are not too close to the centre of the car..
[not like new Lancers where they are next to the grill???]

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Als1967Type1 Casual Dubber

31 posts · joined Nov 2011 · 11 Feb 2013, 8:14 pm

#943239

Thanks everyone, he has decided to go with the motorbike indicators and if it's no good then he will drill the holes in the guards afterwards and treat the bare metal. All your input has been helpfull and I've learnt a bit on the way as well.