helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body
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Our bus is lowered about 3.5 inches, and the radiator has never been damaged.
Cooling problem with my ej22 kombi
karmann141 Wolfsburg Wizard
485 posts · joined Aug 2009 ·
Maybe I should say "vulnerable" I've just seen many hang very low.helbus wrote:Our bus is lowered about 3.5 inches, and the radiator has never been damaged.
1961 K Ghia - Porsche 5 sp, EJ20T, Brembo's, Dble A arm susp
1974 L Bug - Porsche 944 brakes, Boxster 16's
1974 Bay Camper - EJ20, twin radiators, Boxster 16x7's
Half Beetle trailer with Boxster 16x7's
2011 Tiguan TDI 4Motion
2010 LR Discovery 4 TDV
1974 L Bug - Porsche 944 brakes, Boxster 16's
1974 Bay Camper - EJ20, twin radiators, Boxster 16x7's
Half Beetle trailer with Boxster 16x7's
2011 Tiguan TDI 4Motion
2010 LR Discovery 4 TDV
ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell
3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·
you guys crack me up .especially vlad01 the commodore driver LoL 😂
stop all this stupid talk about putting radiators in backs of cars, it's not a Porsche it’s a freaken Kombi and there is heaps of room to put a Radiator anywhere else besides the engine bay .🤪😂
stop all this stupid talk about putting radiators in backs of cars, it's not a Porsche it’s a freaken Kombi and there is heaps of room to put a Radiator anywhere else besides the engine bay .🤪😂
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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell
3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·
like I said.😊on your build page
Take a tip from Volkswagen and put the radiator up the front.
Also copy the cooling system from the Subaru as you have the car . 😊
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Take a tip from Volkswagen and put the radiator up the front.
Also copy the cooling system from the Subaru as you have the car . 😊
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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell
3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·
😊karmann141 wrote:Maybe I should say "vulnerable" I've just seen many hang very low.helbus wrote:Our bus is lowered about 3.5 inches, and the radiator has never been damaged.
who cares if the Kombi purist can see a Radiator.
Your already stuck the Subaru motor in your KombiS 😂
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karmann141 Wolfsburg Wizard
485 posts · joined Aug 2009 ·
As the saying goes:who cares if the Kombi purist can see a Radiator.
Your already stuck the Subaru motor in your KombiS 😂
"It's better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to open you mouth and remove all doubt" 🤓
1961 K Ghia - Porsche 5 sp, EJ20T, Brembo's, Dble A arm susp
1974 L Bug - Porsche 944 brakes, Boxster 16's
1974 Bay Camper - EJ20, twin radiators, Boxster 16x7's
Half Beetle trailer with Boxster 16x7's
2011 Tiguan TDI 4Motion
2010 LR Discovery 4 TDV
1974 L Bug - Porsche 944 brakes, Boxster 16's
1974 Bay Camper - EJ20, twin radiators, Boxster 16x7's
Half Beetle trailer with Boxster 16x7's
2011 Tiguan TDI 4Motion
2010 LR Discovery 4 TDV
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·
says the guy who uses a plastic tub to "improve" his system 🙄
Yes I collect commodores, you got a problem with that? after all they are water cooled and I designed my very own radiator for them, very first drop in OEM stye performance radiator, I mustn't know anything about water cooled engine cooling system design then.
fits like a glove, only design of its kind. Why? because replacement "OEM" ones are in adequate quality and size and I basically corrected that because they didn't follow the manufactures design guide lines to save money. And off the shelf performace radiators dont fit with hacking and are shit made in china and don't last the minimum 20 year I expect instead only last few months.
hell even my computers are water cooled. 😂
oh yeah, whats that "its not a porsche" comment, are you forgetting that they run a complex 3 small radiator, multi line design with auxiliary coolant pumps up front? yes all that and its up front too.
if it works well in the back with this simple design then why re invent everything?
Yes I collect commodores, you got a problem with that? after all they are water cooled and I designed my very own radiator for them, very first drop in OEM stye performance radiator, I mustn't know anything about water cooled engine cooling system design then.
fits like a glove, only design of its kind. Why? because replacement "OEM" ones are in adequate quality and size and I basically corrected that because they didn't follow the manufactures design guide lines to save money. And off the shelf performace radiators dont fit with hacking and are shit made in china and don't last the minimum 20 year I expect instead only last few months.
hell even my computers are water cooled. 😂
oh yeah, whats that "its not a porsche" comment, are you forgetting that they run a complex 3 small radiator, multi line design with auxiliary coolant pumps up front? yes all that and its up front too.
if it works well in the back with this simple design then why re invent everything?
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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell
3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·
vlad01
I haven't heard of any factory Kombis with the radiators in the back.??????
Porsche spend millions on designing their cars .
and I also bet lots of designing went into the computer .
looks like the guy just got two of any sort of radiators that fitted the holes.
hot air gets blown in from both sides of the Kombi engine bay.
The engine bay is a BOX and hot air raises and has no where to go that's why it better with the lid open to let the air out. It needs to be directed down
vlad01 even a commodore has a big PLASTIC fan shroud to direct the air. A plastic cut drum will do the same job.
best to have Radiators rubber mounted like in a commodore
Also how much did the cooling system of the Subaru hold compared to how much the cooling system holds in the new system .
karmann141 ,vlad01 stop kidding your self's and giving the guy bad ideas and just let him put 1 radiator up front .
I told him all along it didn't look right and now look where he is after you saying she be right 😂
oh then we wouldn't be having this chat hahahahaha
chellejohno
I hope you get it sorted either way 1 or 2 radiators ,
the best thing is having a nice running Subaru powered VW .
even this don't look to bad for a after market job.🤪😂
I haven't heard of any factory Kombis with the radiators in the back.??????
Porsche spend millions on designing their cars .
and I also bet lots of designing went into the computer .
looks like the guy just got two of any sort of radiators that fitted the holes.
hot air gets blown in from both sides of the Kombi engine bay.
The engine bay is a BOX and hot air raises and has no where to go that's why it better with the lid open to let the air out. It needs to be directed down
vlad01 even a commodore has a big PLASTIC fan shroud to direct the air. A plastic cut drum will do the same job.
best to have Radiators rubber mounted like in a commodore
Also how much did the cooling system of the Subaru hold compared to how much the cooling system holds in the new system .
karmann141 ,vlad01 stop kidding your self's and giving the guy bad ideas and just let him put 1 radiator up front .
I told him all along it didn't look right and now look where he is after you saying she be right 😂
oh then we wouldn't be having this chat hahahahaha
chellejohno
I hope you get it sorted either way 1 or 2 radiators ,
the best thing is having a nice running Subaru powered VW .
even this don't look to bad for a after market job.🤪😂
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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell
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.😊 it works for Volkswagen
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http://www.carscoops.com/2013/08/vw-says-adieus-to-brazilian-made-kombi.html
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http://www.carscoops.com/2013/08/vw-says-adieus-to-brazilian-made-kombi.html
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chellejohno Slammed & Awesome Dubber
78 posts · joined Feb 2011 ·
Hey Ian,
Had a look at the tardis front mounted radiator last year at old bar, and I reckon it's about the best looking front mount I've seen, I'll take more pics if it's there this year for future reference 😉😉😉😉
Had a look at the tardis front mounted radiator last year at old bar, and I reckon it's about the best looking front mount I've seen, I'll take more pics if it's there this year for future reference 😉😉😉😉
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
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hey johno, whats the dimensions of your radiator?
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roverv8bay Officially Full-On Dubber
250 posts · joined Jan 2013 ·
G'day all. This debate will never end. In the 6 kombis I converted for customer n the 80' using different owner choices in engine I never front mounted any radiator in the bays I used ms65 Toyota radiators with brand new Mazda bongo fans that are reversed to drag cool air in through the tailgate. I had a new louvered tailgate made to suit. On the splits I used a triumph 2500 mounted parallel with engine sealed to the body totally so the Renault 16 fan pulled cool air through the vent plus I used the hot air tube to feed air from a scoop under the floor hanging just far enough below the bar to be in flow. I used top hose filler cap above the high point so as to bleed plus had a drain cock fitted to the top tank so very little air left in the system. if you have a look at pics ECLECTIC in my build I don't like the look at all even though it's only the body left the really vw. just my 2 bobs worth
ernie
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karmann141 Wolfsburg Wizard
485 posts · joined Aug 2009 ·
Thanks Ernie - just another way to skin a cat - that works.
Unfortunately it's not a debate - someone just can't accept the fact that you can keep a water cooled conversion cool with anything other than a front mounted or underbelly radiator.
Personally a could'nt give a rats .... what he thinks. The beauty of engine bay mounted radiator/s is that does not spoil the lines/look of a Kombi and are totally out of the way and protected - and with a little effort - IT WORKS.
Unfortunately it's not a debate - someone just can't accept the fact that you can keep a water cooled conversion cool with anything other than a front mounted or underbelly radiator.
Personally a could'nt give a rats .... what he thinks. The beauty of engine bay mounted radiator/s is that does not spoil the lines/look of a Kombi and are totally out of the way and protected - and with a little effort - IT WORKS.
1961 K Ghia - Porsche 5 sp, EJ20T, Brembo's, Dble A arm susp
1974 L Bug - Porsche 944 brakes, Boxster 16's
1974 Bay Camper - EJ20, twin radiators, Boxster 16x7's
Half Beetle trailer with Boxster 16x7's
2011 Tiguan TDI 4Motion
2010 LR Discovery 4 TDV
1974 L Bug - Porsche 944 brakes, Boxster 16's
1974 Bay Camper - EJ20, twin radiators, Boxster 16x7's
Half Beetle trailer with Boxster 16x7's
2011 Tiguan TDI 4Motion
2010 LR Discovery 4 TDV
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·
Totally agreed!karmann141 wrote:Thanks Ernie - just another way to skin a cat - that works.
Unfortunately it's not a debate - someone just can't accept the fact that you can keep a water cooled conversion cool with anything other than a front mounted or underbelly radiator.
Personally a could'nt give a rats .... what he thinks. The beauty of engine bay mounted radiator/s is that does not spoil the lines/look of a Kombi and are totally out of the way and protected - and with a little effort - IT WORKS.
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chellejohno Slammed & Awesome Dubber
78 posts · joined Feb 2011 ·
Got a set of clear earz, thanks to Justkampers who brought them up to old bar.
Made a big difference on the way home, was able to sit on 90-100ks on the freeway with the caravan, with temp between 90-100, still not ideal because the fans were on most of the time, but I'm pretty happy with that, after all it's pulling 800kgs of caravan!
Cheers Johno
Made a big difference on the way home, was able to sit on 90-100ks on the freeway with the caravan, with temp between 90-100, still not ideal because the fans were on most of the time, but I'm pretty happy with that, after all it's pulling 800kgs of caravan!
Cheers Johno
helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body
7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
just over two tonnes moving at 100kph. That takes horsepower to move, and making hp makes heat. Well done, as long as you keep it under 110, you will survive. I would highly recommend a low coolant sensor that buzzes and lights up on the dash. I have a temp guage, and because our bus never overheats, I wasn't watching it. The heater bypass hose blew from old age, and engine dumped coolant, and engine cooked to the point where the plastic timing covers melted off.
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
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I reckon get some custom rads of find ones with larger cores, make or find fans with shrouds, last but most important is a air damn/flap in front of the engine bay.chellejohno wrote:Got a set of clear earz, thanks to Justkampers who brought them up to old bar.
Made a big difference on the way home, was able to sit on 90-100ks on the freeway with the caravan, with temp between 90-100, still not ideal because the fans were on most of the time, but I'm pretty happy with that, after all it's pulling 800kgs of caravan!
Cheers Johno
You'll be good to go with towing stuff then.
Also bigger engine might help 😂, doesn't have to work as hard and result in less heat. It will make more HP with same heat more or less.
only if you want/can be bothered with a bigger one.
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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell
3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·
yeah, don't run it to long if they think there air in the system , as you could do a head gasket.vlad01 wrote:I reckon get some custom rads of find ones with larger cores, make or find fans with shrouds, last but most important is a air damn/flap in front of the engine bay.chellejohno wrote:Got a set of clear earz, thanks to Justkampers who brought them up to old bar.
Made a big difference on the way home, was able to sit on 90-100ks on the freeway with the caravan, with temp between 90-100, still not ideal because the fans were on most of the time, but I'm pretty happy with that, after all it's pulling 800kgs of caravan!
Cheers Johno
You'll be good to go with towing stuff then.
Also bigger engine might help 😂, doesn't have to work as hard and result in less heat. It will make more HP with same heat more or less.
only if you want/can be bothered with a bigger one.
I had a chat to karmann141 at vw Warwick.
It turns out its about personal choice .
vlad01 how's your Subaru /vw coming along 😂
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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell
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this car has 3 radiators
A small one join in on heater hoses under the car.
its a bash car it just handles it on 40 plus days but have to drive 90Ks and take it easy
they are very happy with their car as it was done that way by a work shop , because it was going on rough roads in Oz
A small one join in on heater hoses under the car.
its a bash car it just handles it on 40 plus days but have to drive 90Ks and take it easy
they are very happy with their car as it was done that way by a work shop , because it was going on rough roads in Oz
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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell
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race cars have them on the side, with a hose at top and a hose on bottom . it looks like a V6 commodore motor with a small radiator
once the body back on you would never know
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karmann141 Wolfsburg Wizard
485 posts · joined Aug 2009 ·
Hi Ian - Yes it is a personal choice.
Just to clarify, the Green Bash Kombi above has 3 radiators - 2 in the engine bay (the fans are on the other side). The engine bay has been completely sealed like the aircooled motor mainly to keep the heat from the exhaust sytem out which is at the rear, hence the propped open and louvred engine cover.
Hi Johno,
Glad to hear the Earz helped (knew they would) - continue to fine tune your cooling system.
Just to clarify, the Green Bash Kombi above has 3 radiators - 2 in the engine bay (the fans are on the other side). The engine bay has been completely sealed like the aircooled motor mainly to keep the heat from the exhaust sytem out which is at the rear, hence the propped open and louvred engine cover.
Hi Johno,
Glad to hear the Earz helped (knew they would) - continue to fine tune your cooling system.
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1961 K Ghia - Porsche 5 sp, EJ20T, Brembo's, Dble A arm susp
1974 L Bug - Porsche 944 brakes, Boxster 16's
1974 Bay Camper - EJ20, twin radiators, Boxster 16x7's
Half Beetle trailer with Boxster 16x7's
2011 Tiguan TDI 4Motion
2010 LR Discovery 4 TDV
1974 L Bug - Porsche 944 brakes, Boxster 16's
1974 Bay Camper - EJ20, twin radiators, Boxster 16x7's
Half Beetle trailer with Boxster 16x7's
2011 Tiguan TDI 4Motion
2010 LR Discovery 4 TDV
Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang
9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·
It will cream in an 800kg caravan once you get the air flow sorted.
Brad proved many years back just how well an EJ22 powered Kombi can tow when he trailered that tractor from Melbourne to Brisbane.
I cant remember what the tractor and trailer weighed but the whole thing Kombi and cargo was nearly 5.5 tonnes all up and still cruised on 100km/h on the flat.
That was one the things that really sold me a on a subi conversion.
Brad proved many years back just how well an EJ22 powered Kombi can tow when he trailered that tractor from Melbourne to Brisbane.
I cant remember what the tractor and trailer weighed but the whole thing Kombi and cargo was nearly 5.5 tonnes all up and still cruised on 100km/h on the flat.
That was one the things that really sold me a on a subi conversion.
helbus Administrator Mad fabricator, paint and body
7,386 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·
Here is the thread with the 5.4 tonne GVM EJ22 powered Kombi
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=40005&page=1#pid366029
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=40005&page=1#pid366029
Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang
9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·
Thats the one, cheers i wasnt having much luck finding it.
chellejohno Slammed & Awesome Dubber
78 posts · joined Feb 2011 ·
Had a really good run today, temp wise. Between sydney and canberra the outside temp dropped to about 18 degrees, and so the kombi dropped to about 90 and on the flat and downhills dropped enough to give the thermo fans a break.
We had a shocking headwind though, that just killed us on the hills, 60-70ks on some of them, but the temp still sat well, even when we pushing up those hills.
It's a great feeling on the freeway overtaking other caravanners in their flashy big four wheel drives and mansion size vans, one guy in a terracan? Towing a small van cracked the shits, put his foot down and wouldn't let us pull back into the left lane.lol.wanker.
Can't wait to drive it to work later in the week without the van.
We had a shocking headwind though, that just killed us on the hills, 60-70ks on some of them, but the temp still sat well, even when we pushing up those hills.
It's a great feeling on the freeway overtaking other caravanners in their flashy big four wheel drives and mansion size vans, one guy in a terracan? Towing a small van cracked the shits, put his foot down and wouldn't let us pull back into the left lane.lol.wanker.
Can't wait to drive it to work later in the week without the van.
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
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yes just fine, but scrapping the suby idea though, might just use an GM alloytec v6 or type 4.ian.mezz wrote:yeah, don't run it to long if they think there air in the system , as you could do a head gasket.vlad01 wrote:I reckon get some custom rads of find ones with larger cores, make or find fans with shrouds, last but most important is a air damn/flap in front of the engine bay.chellejohno wrote:Got a set of clear earz, thanks to Justkampers who brought them up to old bar.
Made a big difference on the way home, was able to sit on 90-100ks on the freeway with the caravan, with temp between 90-100, still not ideal because the fans were on most of the time, but I'm pretty happy with that, after all it's pulling 800kgs of caravan!
Cheers Johno
You'll be good to go with towing stuff then.
Also bigger engine might help 😂, doesn't have to work as hard and result in less heat. It will make more HP with same heat more or less.
only if you want/can be bothered with a bigger one.
I had a chat to karmann141 at vw Warwick.
It turns out its about personal choice .
vlad01 how's your Subaru /vw coming along 😂
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vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·
Where is the 3rd one?karmann141 wrote:Hi Ian - Yes it is a personal choice.
Just to clarify, the Green Bash Kombi above has 3 radiators - 2 in the engine bay (the fans are on the other side). The engine bay has been completely sealed like the aircooled motor mainly to keep the heat from the exhaust sytem out which is at the rear, hence the propped open and louvred engine cover.
Hi Johno,
Glad to hear the Earz helped (knew they would) - continue to fine tune your cooling system.
71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·
yep, Turbocharged VN series one V6 by the looks aka LN3 engine circa 88-90.ian.mezz wrote:race cars have them on the side, with a hose at top and a hose on bottom . it looks like a V6 commodore motor with a small radiator
once the body back on you would never know
Thats a standard sized radiator.
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Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE
chellejohno Slammed & Awesome Dubber
78 posts · joined Feb 2011 ·
Drove the kombi to work today, first real run without the caravan (120ks). Temp sat between 74-78, outside temperature was 18degrees.
That's not too cold now is it? Might have to pull the ears back off!!
That's not too cold now is it? Might have to pull the ears back off!!
vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·
got a thermostat that works properly in there?chellejohno wrote:Drove the kombi to work today, first real run without the caravan (120ks). Temp sat between 74-78, outside temperature was 18degrees.
That's not too cold now is it? Might have to pull the ears back off!!
not one of those trident or dayco ones? I found them shite and ran 70-80 not the 91 advertised, 4 in a row trident and 1 dayco. not one worked right.
got a genuine fixed 👍
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