wiring: high energy electronic ignition

lauzboy Seriously Crusin Dubber

177 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 26 Dec 2014, 8:30 pm

#1005842

Hi all

For a shits-n-giggles project i thought I'd give the jaycar/altronics high energy electronic ignition kit a go.
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5513

So there are different kit configurations which you can assemble and I've picked the Hall Effect version to suit my SVDA with Petronix module fitted.

The kit has the following wires coming out of it:
+12V: to battery positive
CASE/CHASSIS: to vehicle chassis/battery negative
COIL NEGATIVE: self explanatory
HALL EFFECT +: ??
HALL EFFECT SIGNAL: ??
HALL EFFECT GND: ??

So I've got 3 wires on the kit to hook up, but only 2 wires coming from my dizzy with Petronix module. What do I do?

AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 · 27 Dec 2014, 5:47 am

#1005848

lauzboy wrote:HALL EFFECT +: ??
HALL EFFECT SIGNAL: ??
HALL EFFECT GND: ??

So I've got 3 wires on the kit to hook up, but only 2 wires coming from my dizzy with Petronix module. What do I do?

These are the 3 wires that go to your hall sensor on the distributor on a normal electronic ignition.

Does the Petronix have any external electronics or is it all included inside the distributor?

I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

lauzboy Seriously Crusin Dubber

177 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 27 Dec 2014, 12:55 pm

#1005865

The petronix module mounts inside the dizzy and only has 2 wires coming out - black and red. I'm thinking it's internally grounded (ie thru the body of the dizzy) so possibly I connect the red to HALL EFFECT + and black to HALL EFFECT TRIGGER. If so then what about HALL EFFECT GND? Connect it to vehicle chassis?
Any other thoughts?

AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 · 27 Dec 2014, 5:44 pm

#1005870

lauzboy wrote:The petronix module mounts inside the dizzy and only has 2 wires coming out - black and red. I'm thinking it's internally grounded (ie thru the body of the dizzy) so possibly I connect the red to HALL EFFECT + and black to HALL EFFECT TRIGGER. If so then what about HALL EFFECT GND? Connect it to vehicle chassis?
Any other thoughts?

It may not be compatible with Petronix.

I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 · 27 Dec 2014, 8:58 pm

#1005884

lauzboy wrote:The petronix module mounts inside the dizzy and only has 2 wires coming out - black and red. I'm thinking it's internally grounded (ie thru the body of the dizzy) so possibly I connect the red to HALL EFFECT + and black to HALL EFFECT TRIGGER. If so then what about HALL EFFECT GND? Connect it to vehicle chassis?
Any other thoughts?

Have you tried looking for any info on the pertronix? However, I think you're on the right track there as most electronic circuits will require a pos and neg with one or more outputs.

Also, read the Jaycar kits instructions cos for the unit to work it may just need the trigger signal as you have power to the module and coil neg to the module just needs the signal to ground the coil for the spark.

Also, for maximum coil energy I'd wire a relay that powers the coil directly from the battery and uses the original coil power wire as the relay switching input. This means minimum voltage drop and current drain from old switches and wiring 🙂

madness is in the eye of the beholder 👍

lauzboy Seriously Crusin Dubber

177 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 27 Dec 2014, 9:27 pm

#1005888

Thanks. The instructions aren't clear for this situation and i have also emailed them for support

The kit can be made to suit points, reluctor, hall effect or ecu, and as such have different inputs. The reluctor version only has 2 inputs (reluctor + & -) but I'm not sure whether this applies for pertronix considering its a hall effect sensor

Pertronix website doesn't provide any help except "connect red to positive terminal on coil and black to negative"

AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 · 28 Dec 2014, 6:36 am

#1005897

I would connect it as per the points version.

If you have a Petronix why are you using this anyway?

I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

lauzboy Seriously Crusin Dubber

177 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 3 Jan 2015, 10:21 pm

#1006270

Points version only has a single wire on the module to connect, so it's the more-or-less the same problem

the pertronix acts as a trigger to the module which should fire a bigger spark and has more stable dwell on startup and higher rpms. As i said shits'n'giggles project...if it doesn't turn out so great then nothing lost except $50 and a few hours of my idle holiday time

AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 · 4 Jan 2015, 5:40 am

#1006271

Disconnect the black Petronix wire from the coil - and connect that to your kit as if it were points.

Leave the red Petronix wire connected to the coil +.

I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂

modnrod Fahrvergnugen

978 posts · joined Mar 2011 · 4 Jan 2015, 10:32 am

#1006287

Hall effect = reluctor (well, in a simple world). I'd hook it up.

As you said, giggles over the holidays, and only $50 involved. If it all goes belly-up, then you may need one filled with new smoke, and try something else.

barls Administrator Causer of Chaos and Mayhem

9,473 posts · joined Jun 2004 · 4 Jan 2015, 11:51 am

#1006302

had two of these. first one blew the arse clean out of it in 5 seconds.
second one lasted about 12 months then the same thing.

“We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free.” Bill Hicks
the chaos project - click me

lauzboy Seriously Crusin Dubber

177 posts · joined Mar 2005 · 26 Jan 2015, 6:26 pm

#1007397

So I got a response from the kit maker's tech support, as well as from Pertronix tech support. The pertronix is internally grounded and their tech support reckon this kit won't work with the pertronix. Turns out they're wrong...I reconfigured the kit to suit points, with the pertronix red wire hooked up to switched +12v (as normal) and black wire to the kit "trigger" wire. I managed to fire the car up so will play with it more next weekend. The mix and/or timing needs resetting

AA003 Custom Title Time!

1,189 posts · joined Oct 2011 · 30 Jan 2015, 7:32 pm

#1007538

Funny about that.

I read it on samba, so it must be correct.

Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂