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buzzbug Praise the lowered

1,992 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#155792
OK so heres the deal.
Going along the highway at 100k put the foot down a wee biut more and i get: nothing, then acouple of spurts then she goes!

But it also did it after going around a roundabout at slow speed.

Please help, the wife has to drive it to work tomorrow and i don't want it to die on her.

oh yeah its a 1600tp with stock carbi and filter

Cheers guys
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they have no useful purpose
but they are fun to watch
when you push them down the stairs

lugnuts Custom Title Time!

1,070 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#155903
Points closed up,too much crud in your filter(s),fouled plug(s),timing off a fraction,intake manifold airleak,blocked accelerator pump tube,i dont know ive had all these so pick one and when you find out come back an tell what it was so i can add it to my collection.🙂

AdrianH Officially Full-On Dubber

257 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#155913
My vote is with the carb, accelerator pump tube blocked or the diaphragm stuffed.

Babybug Seriously Crusin Dubber

103 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#155918
I had the same thing happen to me. I think it was the carby he took one of the hoses off it and blew it out with with an air compresser and all was well.
Jodie 🙂
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Che Castro ankle straps

1,945 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#156048
mmm does it always happen when the engine speed is pretty low? check for carb icing, look underneath the carburettor at the manifold and touch it to see if it is icy.
Jon

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#156057
If it only JUST started doing this i would do the following:

new points
cap
rotor
leads
plugs
fuel filters.

yeah - a $100 or so but should scatter gun most of the problems.

If it still does it after that - well, roses are cheap this time of year.
Futue te ipsum!!!

Menangler Custom Title Time!

1,991 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#156131
Lee,
Have you done a service on that engine since we put it in???
FAHRVERGNUGEN;
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$2.63 homebrand baja

0 posts · joined Feb 2004 ·

#156147
Che Castro wrote:mmm does it always happen when the engine speed is pretty low? check for carb icing, look underneath the carburettor at the manifold and touch it to see if it is icy.


out of curiosity, what does carb icing indicate, as I took bug (1600 tp like buzz) on particularly rough track,, was running sweet b4, then afterwards I realised the idle screw had come loose, and was running like 'something ikky on bottom of ones shoe'... (worn out holden carbi),, will be changing to a webber soon, bu-ut, the manifold was icy..... (such a timely post.lol!)...

i mucked around with idle and mix and is running fine again, but because the carbi is too big it is sooo touchy with the tune,, I also thought I was imagining things, but ambient temp seems to affect it too, ie runs a little rougher when weather gets colder (day goooood, night,, not so good).... i have done points, coil, condenser, plugs leads etc,, timings spot on.... it has heaps of power ,but I can feel it change, not so smoooth... pehaps you hold the key masser gwasshopper 😀

or does my car just have asthma?🙂

$2.63 homebrand baja

0 posts · joined Feb 2004 ·

#156154
sorry buzz, no hijack intended...... just did search,, icing=recondensation of fuel,, flatspots,, ok sorted that out= my setup could be improved.... someone told me a while ago that the flow rate is too high on my carbi???, what happens if you have a carbi thats too big? 🙂

what happens if the fuel recondenses? does it flood the spark?? is that why you get a flatspot? questions questions,, so many q's!

buzzbug Praise the lowered

1,992 posts · joined Mar 2003 ·

#156456
i hang my head in shame as i say no to you question dave.

i took it up to waynes today so it can be serviced and tuned on monday.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by buzzbug]
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they have no useful purpose
but they are fun to watch
when you push them down the stairs

Menangler Custom Title Time!

1,991 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#156550
Shame Shame Shame,
wait till I see you at the clubbie meeting on Tuesday night!!!
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A feeling experienced by Volkswagen Drivers.

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#156592
Firstly Buzzbug,
You are supposed to say, "A couple of months After My car was serviced, the ignition timing & valves done, plus new points, plugs, condenser, dizzy cap & rotor button etc replaced.... this happened "
.... and then We will know its not the timing or the new plugs etc... but after a long time.... the problem can be many things that just naturally wear out and change the ignition timing.... etc..
Your problem does sound a bit like the accelerator pump not adjusted correctly, but the engine probably just needs a tune up... with new points & plugs etc... at least its not stopping... rather the opposite... going faster....
[find out what made it go faster & sell it to the rest of Us]🙂🙂
Lee

$2-63 Baja : sounds like an icing problem with Your carb...
at Night - Bad time for icing... You should be careful with Your Larger carby, and make sure its running richer rather than leaner... although the jets are probably too large for Your engine... so its probably running too rich... which the engine doesn't like... but its much better than running Lean.. engine health wise... Best of luck with Your weber...

Lee

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68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#156595
$2-63 Home brand Baja
If Your Engine does have Asthma....
I know a good doctor 🙂🙂

Lee

Rear pic of Your Baja looks great...
any more photos???
and when You add the Weber, it won't be a $2-63 Baja any more..... 🙂🙂

Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

$2.63 homebrand baja

0 posts · joined Feb 2004 ·

#156605
68AutoBug wrote:Best of luck with Your weber...

Lee


I did mean weber wif 1 b,, opps,, if I am running too rich, will I end up clogging up my valves with excessive carbon deposits? If you run it too lean is that where you can crack things? If I am running it too rich will I shorten the life of the plugs? should i start up a seperate post for my ever increasing list of questions????lol. Thanks for responding 68, I have been running it richer (exhaust is usually on darker side of grey!)...I just have so many q's! lol sorry!

$2.63 homebrand baja

0 posts · joined Feb 2004 ·

#156613
68AutoBug wrote:$2-63 Home brand Baja
If Your Engine does have Asthma....
I know a good doctor 🙂🙂

Lee

Rear pic of Your Baja looks great...
any more photos???
and when You add the Weber, it won't be a $2-63 Baja any more..... 🙂🙂

Lee

I know.lol... I actually have an alfa 33 sitting in front yard (awaiting tlc after trip to tassie,, ie I killed it doing 130 most of way,,,ooops...) but it has twin dellortos,,,and keeps shuddering when I look its way!!! the weber i have is basically the same as the alfa carbis... prob is if I take those off the alfa,,,nahhhhhhhh....lol

the probs i am currently having are not chronic... just annoying because it's not running,, well ... perfect..lol...

I wan't my baja to run the same as my alfa did!lol.... I am learning still! bear with me!

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#156638
Yes running with a rich mixture May carbon up Your plugs etc although it won't damage Your valves etc... which running a lean mixture does... Lean Mixture & VW Engines don't go together... actually - they don't go for long!!!
If Your 4 cylinders are still firing OK then the plugs shouldn't stop firing... even though they have a bit of carbon on them...
My Sons Baja with a dual throat Holley seems to run rich all the time as the exhaust extractors are very sooty... but has no problems with spark plugs fouling...
When You accelerate, You may be actually flooding the engine with too much fuel & not enough air... due to having Jets too large for the size of the engine....
If You had smaller jets, the carby would probably work OK... but then they wouldn't work on a 6 cyl engine..... so they are probably not available....
Now where is that Weber ??? or Dellorto ?? 🙂🙂
bye for Now..
Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#157656
spoon!:thumb
let sleeping dubs lie

Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#157898
secateurs!:cussing
let sleeping dubs lie

AdrianH Officially Full-On Dubber

257 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#157917
Running rich washes oil off the cylinder walls, wears out a bit faster.

Tomahawk

Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#158176
better than lean, but.
shovel 🙁
let sleeping dubs lie

Peter Leonard Moderator Volatile

1,456 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#158179
but it'll still run warmer.

spade! spade!:vader
let sleeping dubs lie

$2.63 homebrand baja

0 posts · joined Feb 2004 ·

#158235
AdrianH wrote:Running rich washes oil off the cylinder walls, wears out a bit faster.

Tomahawk


ahh, so is that one of the reasons for engine oil going black? Minute bits o' carbon getting back in via the pistons?? ( don't laugh fellas, I am not up to racin standards!Plus my girlfriends just give me a vacant look if i talk brum brum's with them.lol. )...


men in white coats, driving white van..........:sandrine

$2.63 homebrand baja

0 posts · joined Feb 2004 ·

#158237
oh and am i imagining things, but because it's running rich,, it makes the engine oil feel and smell a bit different to normal (on dipstick, almost a little thinner??)....

(again don't laugh at me!!)😉

Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#158240
Yes , this is one reason.