info on dizzy/points

Edmond Commited Dubber

55 posts · joined Oct 2005 · 22 Oct 2005, 1:36 pm

#420289

Hi,
Have just bought a 67 beetle, and I'd like some info on the ignition with the intention of going to electronic triggering.
My dizzy number is Bosch 0231 137 009. I am pretty sure this is not the "009" that is commonly mentioned as it has a vac advance and is apparently stock according to http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ignition.htm

The points are bosch 01 009. I was wondering if anyone has used a pertonix unit in this stock dizzy, or know if its available in oz?

Thanks
Ed

dusto81 Officially Full-On Dubber

229 posts · joined Feb 2005 · 22 Oct 2005, 2:19 pm

#420295

G'day Ed,
I've used Pertronix electronic ignition in my bus dizzy that was a vacuum advance, not 009. It's probably a bit different to your dizzy but similiar, go figure? Anyways you should be able to get a unit for it. They are fantastic I reckon, no more maintenance with points and timing and they make starting a breeze. I don't how much they are here but I got mine in from the U.S (got relatives there) and could get one in for you if you want. Another good cheap upgrade to go with it is a high voltage coil.

Cheers,
Dustin

kombi-troppo Seriously Crusin Dubber

123 posts · joined Sep 2005 · 22 Oct 2005, 2:55 pm

#420308

Yeah gidday ED,
I had a vacuum advance dizzy on my van. I also wanted to switch to electronic ignition and do away with the points. I bought a package deal from http://classicveedub.com.au/ClassicVeeDub.asp for $200 that consisted of a 009 dizzy and empi electronic ignition. You can also buy these separately off their website. I just put a screw in the vacuum line off the carbie to block it off as you do not require it with the electronic unit. Less to go wrong I recon.
Cheers.
Karl.

1974 Orange Camoflage Kombi Camper
1976 Yellow Kombi Camper

Edmond Commited Dubber

55 posts · joined Oct 2005 · 22 Oct 2005, 6:10 pm

#420357

Thanks for the info guys,

Dusto- what year bus was it? app 64-67 used same ign parts as my beetle. 68> were different.

Karl - how did the van go with the 009 compared to stock dizzy? (apart from the joy of no points!)

I've checked the parts stores (online anyway) and the electronic ignition kits are available either for the 009 or stock 68 onwards dizz. May go down the 009 path if there are no other options. Wife drives, but can't set the points.
I'd like to keep the stocker 'cause it works!

Thanks
Ed

dusto81 Officially Full-On Dubber

229 posts · joined Feb 2005 · 22 Oct 2005, 8:32 pm

#420430

It's a later bus ('77), but just trying to point out that I think they do make a variation of the elec modules designed for the vacuum advance.
I'd try and stick with the vacuum too, I have it with the vacuum and elec ignition and it's great. I've heard a mixed bag about the 009...
If you call a place they should be able to tell you if you can get the module for your dizzy.
Cheers,
Dustin

helterskelter400 Fahrvergnugen

900 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Oct 2005, 9:41 pm

#420460

i have a 1600 t1 motor with std carb and have a 009 with an accufire (from classic vdub for $65).

the elect points were worth it alone for getting rid of points gapping.
although i have no probs with this setp, after looking through other threads (009 poo formance), i might look out for other dizzies and see what they do.

also, volkspower sell std 009's as well 009's that they have "recurved" what's this all about and has anyone got one that they can give us the skinny on.

[ Edited on 23-10-2005 by helterskelter400 ]

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kombi-troppo Seriously Crusin Dubber

123 posts · joined Sep 2005 · 25 Oct 2005, 5:02 pm

#421521

Edmond wrote:Karl - how did the van go with the 009 compared to stock dizzy? (apart from the joy of no points!)
Ed

Yeah seems to be going alright. But hard to tell because I changed to the electronic ignition at the same time I changed the dizzy. I might put the points and vacuum advance back on to see what noticable difference there is.
Cheers.
Karl.

1974 Orange Camoflage Kombi Camper
1976 Yellow Kombi Camper

mnsKmobi Wolfsburg Wizard

589 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 26 Oct 2005, 2:34 pm

#421868

In any comparison of new 009 and an old stock distributor you need to consider that the stock distributor has 25+ years of wear and built up dirt and grime whereas the 009 has brand new internals. If you've got the cash, get a new vacuum advance distributor with your electronic ignition (keep the old one as a spare). If not, pull apart your existing distributor and clean the shit out and regrease the moving bits.

While you're at it what condition are the rest of the ignition components and the fuel hoses?

dusto81 Officially Full-On Dubber

229 posts · joined Feb 2005 · 26 Oct 2005, 6:20 pm

#421924

Yeh,good point. I got my vacuum advance completley rebuilt along with the electronic igntion and it is tops! Although getting it rebuilt actually cost a bit and I probably could have picked up a 009 cheaper, it's just I've heard criticism about 009 flat spots. Haven't had one so can't say, but could be annoying...
Cheers,
Dustin

Edmond Commited Dubber

55 posts · joined Oct 2005 · 26 Oct 2005, 6:45 pm

#421937

Fair call on the new vs worn comparison. When we brought it home and i got to give it a bit of a run, it felt powerless as revs reached 2500-3000 (guessing) . I am new to vw and my workshop manuals haven't arrived yet. The plugs were dry sooty. Points were clean (as was the dizzy in general and greased nicely) but were set to about .008ish. Resetting these to dwell 45 made a great difference and a real nice rev range. So I think the ign system is fine. All hoses are newish looking and tight. Basically it goes just fine, but its my wifes car and I don't want her stranded because of points/condensor problems (or teach her how to do steps 1 to 20 :duh )
When the books finally land in my lap, I will do a thorough tune up, I was just wondering if anyone has used a pertonix unit in this stock dizzy (mid 60's), or know if its available in oz? The online suppliers (from what I could see) have units to suit the 009types or the 68 and up vac dizzys.
If they don't have it, it would be a great excuse to get the new vac advance dis ! and a new coil !

Karl - what are you gonna do if the old dis and points are noticably better? 😀

kombi-troppo Seriously Crusin Dubber

123 posts · joined Sep 2005 · 27 Oct 2005, 10:11 pm

#422325

Edmond wrote:Karl - what are you gonna do if the old dis and points are noticably better? 😀

Put them back in with a fresh set of points and cry about the $150 I just spent on the 009.

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