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56astro Custom Title Time!

1,772 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#485180
I am having trouble working on an equation. The equation is "leicesters Model for determining radiant heat flux:

Qd = 60 x (1 - exp(-I / 3000x df))

How should the equation be written when trying to determine df:

df = ??

Can anyone help?

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modulus Veteran Volks Folk

2,009 posts · joined Jul 2003 ·

#485221
Qd = 60 * (1 - exp(_I/3000*df)

exp(_I/3000*df) = 1 - Qd/60

-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60)

3000*df = -I / (ln(1 - Qd/60))

df = -I / (ln(1-Qd/60) */ 3000)

I've used more parentheses than striclty necessary for clarity.

hth.
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#485244
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#485246
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56astro Custom Title Time!

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#485251
Thanks Pete

I'll give it a crack when I get home

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3,634 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#485311
modulus wrote:Qd = 60 * (1 - exp(_I/3000*df)

exp(_I/3000*df) = 1 - Qd/60

-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60)

3000*df = -I / (ln(1 - Qd/60))

df = -I / (ln(1-Qd/60) */ 3000)

I've used more parentheses than striclty necessary for clarity.

hth.
i got the same thing!!!

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#485327
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Notch Nut Custom Title Time!

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#485927
modulus wrote:Qd = 60 * (1 - exp(_I/3000*df)

exp(_I/3000*df) = 1 - Qd/60

-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60)

3000*df = -I / (ln(1 - Qd/60))

df = -I / (ln(1-Qd/60) */ 3000)

I've used more parentheses than striclty necessary for clarity.

hth.

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#485972
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Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag Officially Full-On Dubber

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#486003
modulus wrote:Qd = 60 * (1 - exp(_I/3000*df)

exp(_I/3000*df) = 1 - Qd/60

-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60)

3000*df = -I / (ln(1 - Qd/60))

df = -I / (ln(1-Qd/60) */ 3000)

I've used more parentheses than striclty necessary for clarity.

hth.
I get similar, but i reckon this is less confusing.
From third last line:

-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60) multiply both sides by 3000/-I

1/df=((3000*ln(1-Qd/60))/-I)

df=1/((3000*ln(1-Qd/60))/-I)

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modulus Veteran Volks Folk

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#486035
Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag wrote:
modulus wrote:Qd = 60 * (1 - exp(_I/3000*df)

exp(_I/3000*df) = 1 - Qd/60

-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60)

3000*df = -I / (ln(1 - Qd/60))

df = -I / (ln(1-Qd/60) */ 3000)

I've used more parentheses than striclty necessary for clarity.

hth.
I get similar, but i reckon this is less confusing.
From third last line:

-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60) multiply both sides by 3000/-I

1/df=((3000*ln(1-Qd/60))/-I)

df=1/((3000*ln(1-Qd/60))/-I)

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Whilst they both give the same answer (ain't maths wonderful!), yours is in the form of:
x = 1/A/B
which to me looks like an unnecessary inverse. What's wrong with
x = B/A ?
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#486042
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#486047
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Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag Officially Full-On Dubber

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#486062
modulus wrote:Confusion is in the mind of the beholder, grasshopper.

Whilst they both give the same answer (ain't maths wonderful!), yours is in the form of:
x = 1/A/B
which to me looks like an unnecessary inverse. What's wrong with
x = B/A ?
Lol, yes but i just prefer the inverse cos it looks nicer 1/(A/B). I am fond of brackets, the more the merrier!
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#486084
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#486091
Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag wrote:Lol, yes but i just prefer the inverse cos it looks nicer 1/(A/B). I am fond of brackets, the more the merrier!
why don't you just write x=(A/B)^-1 to really be confusing.
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#486093
^^ and when did x come into it?? i see no x :P:P

but yeh..i love writing powers too :P

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#486121
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#486124
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#486135
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Ordinal 42nd
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Factorization 2 × 3 × 7
Divisors 2, 3, 6, 7, 14, 21
Roman numeral XLII
Binary 101010
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In base 10, it is a Harshad number and a self number.

It is also a perfect score on the USA Math Olympiad (USAMO) and International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO).


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#486141
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#486148
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#486152
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#486193
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#486204
4ThALaStTiMe wrote:the Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything


Cardinal 42
forty-two
Ordinal 42nd
forty-second
Factorization 2 × 3 × 7
Divisors 2, 3, 6, 7, 14, 21
Roman numeral XLII
Binary 101010
Hexadecimal 2A
IEEE Float 42.0 = 42280000 hexadecimal
Hebrew מב (Mem Bet)







Bracketed by twin primes, this composite number's factorization makes it a sphenic number, as it is the product of the first three terms of Sylvester's sequence. It is also the third 15-gonal number, a Catalan number, a meandric number, an open meandric number. It is believed to be the third moment of the Riemann zeta function, based partially upon evidence from quantum mechanics.

In base 10, it is a Harshad number and a self number.

It is also a perfect score on the USA Math Olympiad (USAMO) and International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life%2C_the_Universe%2C_and_Everything#The_Ultimate_Answer



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#486258
4ThALaStTiMe wrote:It is also a perfect score on the USA Math Olympiad (USAMO) and International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO).
I've actually got a highest individual score trophy from a Mathematical Olympiad 🤓

why did I tell people that.... :duh
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