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speedster356 Plastic not Classic Racing

1,624 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#505644
I would like to decrease the squatting I see on acceleration. I'm pretty sure I nead to stiffen the rear up by either increasing the dampening rate in the rear shocks or would it be better to increase the spring rate? Would stiffer front shocks have the same effect?

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Spyder-WISD 07-09-05 11.6s @ 125 MPH

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lohoon Wolfsburg Wizard

466 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#505659
What if you try some type 3 torsion bars in the rear?

speedster356 Plastic not Classic Racing

1,624 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#505669
Forgot to mention that it isn't a VW rear but it's still a trailing arm suspension without torsion bars (has coil overs) and a balljoint front end.
Spyder-WISD 07-09-05 11.6s @ 125 MPH

Speedster-WISD Nats 05 14.4s @ 89 MPH

Jet cruiser-Coogee 22-09-05 900 deg C @ 110,000 rpm

Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals....................Except the Weasel.

lohoon Wolfsburg Wizard

466 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#505695
Can you adjust the spring rate on the coil overs?

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6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#505696
Front spoiler! hehe. Push that nose down 😀

Doesn't the country buggy have something that puts the nose down under acceleration? A bloke called Michael when i was at MidlifeCrisis's house (Marc) was educating me about it. was interesting actually.
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speedster356 Plastic not Classic Racing

1,624 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#505712
I'll have to change the actual springs to change the rate, dampening and ride height are adjustable.
Spyder-WISD 07-09-05 11.6s @ 125 MPH

Speedster-WISD Nats 05 14.4s @ 89 MPH

Jet cruiser-Coogee 22-09-05 900 deg C @ 110,000 rpm

Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals....................Except the Weasel.

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#505715
make the damper compression stiffer; it might help a bit without making the low-speed ride stiffer (if u care!)

I did that to mine (stiffer shocks) after I started lifting inside front wheel on corners


[ Edited on 27-6-2006 by VWCOOL ]
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BiX Veteran Volks Folk

2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#505815
Also what about stiffer rebound on the front shocks to help stop the weight transfer? other than that, as above stiffer rear shocks or springs.
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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 ·

#505833
drive slower:P


BiX Veteran Volks Folk

2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#505843
Is it the squating when launching or under acceleration down the straights etc? if its launch, shocks should be able to fix it, if its on the straights its a spring thing......
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71EJVan Officially Full-On Dubber

352 posts · joined Aug 2005 ·

#505930
Stiffer rear springs will give you more steering at speed. You may need to look at both front and rear spring rates to keep balance and also play with dampers at the rear.

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koolkarmakombi enkarmarising

2,078 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#505986
Increase the compression damping and tighten the preload on the rear. A small increase in rear ride height may help too.

Stiffer front shocks will make it worse as it will keep the front up.

luck,

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791 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#506010
Is there any reason why you want to stop it squating in the rear the way it does? i.e. hits bump stops, $hit handling etc. At least you know the rear suspension is working.
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speedster356 Plastic not Classic Racing

1,624 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#506050
On hard acceleration in mid corner or later the rearward weight transfer unsettles the car and tends to understeer. Seems to me that a lot of energy is wasted in pointing the front to the sky:P
Spyder-WISD 07-09-05 11.6s @ 125 MPH

Speedster-WISD Nats 05 14.4s @ 89 MPH

Jet cruiser-Coogee 22-09-05 900 deg C @ 110,000 rpm

Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals....................Except the Weasel.

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#506198
Hi Pete,
I would agree with what has been said already by BiX and others.
Shock compression rates may do what you want,
but will just delay the inevitable squat that comes with light spring rates(rear).
Were talking 10 second power levels here!
Try stiffening the rear compression, and front extension, but you may develop traction issues.
Any photos of the trailing arms and shock mounts?
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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 ·

#506199
It is probably a big job, but you may like to move the pivot point
of the trailing arm up on the chassis?
It depends on the COG height, but this mod can reduce weight transfer.
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speedster356 Plastic not Classic Racing

1,624 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#506207
Moving the trailing arm pivot point is a mod that is quite common with the 914 racing guys (mine has 914 rear). My program will be in this order:

1: Stiffen compression rate in rear shocks. (no mod required)

2: Measure spring rate (I don't know what it is ATM ) and increase rate.

3: Fit 2 way adjustable shocks to the front so I can have some variobility in extension and compression rates.

4: Move rear pivot points up.


cheers:beer
Spyder-WISD 07-09-05 11.6s @ 125 MPH

Speedster-WISD Nats 05 14.4s @ 89 MPH

Jet cruiser-Coogee 22-09-05 900 deg C @ 110,000 rpm

Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals....................Except the Weasel.

BiX Veteran Volks Folk

2,499 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#506241
I would also include modify/change front springs rates to suit rears, if you want to keep the handling front to rear the same. You may also be able to decrease sway bar dia with the stiffer springs, as this will keep roll the same, will making the car stiffier in pitch?

But then the car could get to stiff.......
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amazeer Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,029 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#507538
Increase rear spring a fair bit, rear shock a little bit, + probably remove rear sway bar completely to maintain drive on inside wheel, trim with front sway bar.

Or, put a massive turbo on so you dont get any acceleration out of corners 🙂

fullnoise Fahrvergnugen

964 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#508881
Before you stiffen the rear springs:

The Yokohama A048s you now have on the rear have a stiffer construction which works like a heavier spring. Many of the competitors who have moved from the A032 to the A048 have had to soften the rear spring rates.

That won't help the squatting issue but you may go the wrong way in your set-up unless you allow for the stiffer construction.

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