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rufbug Seriously Crusin Dubber

127 posts · joined May 2003 ·

#567315
i have been reading some of the comments through the forum and wish to know what cars were actually legal in obtaining the Gene Berg trophy through out the past years.
if we have weights and formulas then can we tell who really obtained the trophy legally....., and are they fudged, i am sure there will be someone who will have some thoughts on this. does being after market inside really substantiate being a volkswagen, its like having an after market case with just vw stuff in it. or having a vw case with all the s&*t inside and added externally.
what are the foundations for the Gene Berg trophy, i believe that you dont fudge to obtain.
So who has a list of cars that were legally rego'd with turbos and the like.

curious.

VWCOOL 23 Windows of Awesome

5,158 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#567327
lol... here we go!
Pay your debts, CxxT

1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#567368
I can see this post being deleted.

vwfastback Seriously Crusin Dubber

187 posts · joined Oct 2003 ·

#567370
Gene Berg Trophey? We are going in to ancient history. Come back to beyond 2000...

reub VWRX is gone...

2,054 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#567409
Agreed....
Reub

frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#567411
haha, in other words.. own up if you don't deserve the trophy
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1303 Officially Full-On Dubber

250 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#567412
I must have missed something, this topic must have been debated before I started looking at the forums. I am actually really interested in who and in what car has won it back in the 90's, I was a teenager then an too interested in looking at big stereos,simmons wheels and aero guards on bugs to pay any attention to the drags!

Can someone list who it was awared to in each year? Obvioulsy there is some dispute over this, but just interested, opinions aside.

Cheers

Paul

Boostn Wolfsburg Wizard

657 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#567429
rufbug
what's legal?
in who's eyes?
in what state?
by who's rules?

if you can answer these questions than we have a problem because that would be your opinion and others will not agree.

if you can't answer these questions than what do we do?

I think that we should just build fast cars for fun and support each other instead of building cars for our ego's.
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rufbug Seriously Crusin Dubber

127 posts · joined May 2003 ·

#567486
Did you read the thread, i am asking the question. Wot somebody does not know the answer. geeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
this aint hard is it.............

Iis this topic not clear to the point.
Who has had what!

Ta Naa.

BeetleJuice Officially Full-On Dubber

350 posts · joined Sep 2006 ·

#567511
Is it legal to run race gas?
Is it legal to turbo anything over 2l?
Is it legal to run slicks?
Is it legal to run fibreglass flares?
Is it legal to run M& H dots?
Is it legal to run N/A over 2l?
Is it legal to run an aluminium front beam?
Is it legal to run without interior?
Is it legal to run braided brake line?
Is it legal to alter track?
Is it legal to run one piece windows?
Is it legal to run drum or disc brakes?

Don't know don't care....Just enjoy all the quick cars around at the moment! :thumb

Yesterday is history and tomorrow is Mystery

BJ
FringeDweller

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#567512
Many of the beetles in the USA were larger than 2 litres...

When looking in books, there were many different setups.

plus the categorys etc changed a lot over the years....

so, I don't think there is any real answer..

Not that I am a follower of any race VWs....

Lee..
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

fullnoise Fahrvergnugen

964 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#567531
I thought the Gene Berg trophy was a prize for having the engine with the lowest compression.

CYA CT
esratrams

koolkarmakombi enkarmarising

2,078 posts · joined Jun 2003 ·

#567535
If you are asking ppl who won what and if it was fair and legal, you are stirring the pot.

Most of these ppl are still around.

Asking ppl to fess up is silly....'oh yeah I used a (insert cheat here) to screw everyone' just aint going to happen.

Asking ppl to out others is speculative and possibly ends up as slander etc. So that will get the post closed.

The guts of the argument revolve around the legalities of a whole lot of classes, street legal or special plate, what year and and and etc etc etc.

Many beers have been filtered to conversations about this stuff, but you wont hear it here as it will turn to argument.

Good fishing though

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rufbug Seriously Crusin Dubber

127 posts · joined May 2003 ·

#567546
so we are not going to see what winners we had,
times and mph and size of engines (turbo or non turbo)
other than this there is not too much to ask.

RIP

pete wood 23 Windows of Awesome

6,828 posts · joined Jan 2004 ·

#567559
Who's Gene Berg?

Now that is the real tragedy.

He'd have been ashamed to see the amount of bitching that went on about this.

Can someone in the know please cough up the results...and have the backbone to declare Wayne Penrose as the last winner...whether he was in their club/clique or not?
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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#567569
Gene Berg Trophy Drag Race Rules

The Gene Berg Trophy is a perpetual award, presented to the driver of the FASTEST ROAD REGISTERED VW. As there may be some confusion over exactly what is a "road registered" car, the following rules have been implemented.

1. The vehicle must be registered. That is the chassis and engine numbers must match up with the registration papers, sticker and plates. This can be checked by the scrutineers.

2. The cooling system must be intact. The cylinder tin, fan housing and fan must be fitted, although the fan belt may be removed for a run.

3. The best time only in "racing" will be counted.

4. The vehicle must run on pump petrol, for example leaded super, or standard or hi octane unleaded. No exotic chemistry allowed.

5. Street tyres must be run .No drag slicks are allowed. Road tyres must have a minimum of 1.5 mm tread.

6. Fitting of the rear seat and rear seat belts is optional but both front seats and belts must be fitted.

7. Fibreglass mudguards, bonnets, whale tails and spoilers are allowed, but the body and doors must be factory steel.

8. No perspex windows are allowed, all windows must be glass.

9. The spare wheel must be fitted for safety reasons.

10. Exhaust design is unlimited except that it must meet the track noise requirements.

11. Vehicles for this class must be able to be driven on the street in the normal manner. If scrutineers are in any doubt, you may be required to complete a 15 km drive.


Gene Berg Fastest street Registered VW

1/4mile = 440 yards or 1320 feet

1/8mile = 220 yards or 660 feet

all speed reading have been converted to MPH for similarity

Canberra action 13 Mar 1989 1/4mile 13.60 @ 99.4mph Joanne Smith

VW Nats 14 Apr 1990 850ft 10.16 @ 86.04mph Jeff Unwin

ClubVW day 1 Dec 1990 850ft 10.03 @ 87.37mph Jeff Unwin

VW Nats 1 Apr 1991 850ft 9.78 @ 90.18mph Paul Zanello

Club VW day 7 Dec 1991 850ft 8.77 @ 79.71mph Richard Holzl

VW Nats 18 Apr 1992 850ft 8.69 @ 83.33mph Richard Holzl

Willowbank jam 7 Jun 1992 1/4mile 14.12 @ 95.54mph Lance Adam

VW nats 12 Apr 1993 850ft 11.14 @ 79.01mph James McKinnon


3 JUNE 1993 TRACK LENGTH ALTERED FROM 850 TO 660 FEET 1/8 MILE


Club VW day 27Nov 1993 1/8mile 8.92 @ 76.60mph Jeff Unwin

VW Nats 2 Apr 1994 1/8mile 8.76 @ 78.32mph Keith Haeusler

Willowbank jam 1994 1/4mile 13.18 @ 103mph Jeff Unwin

VW Nats 15 Apr 1995 1/8mile 9.10 @ 74.78mph Keith Haeusler

Willowbank jam 1995 1/4mile 13.35 @ 100.4mph Craig Paton

VW Nats 6 Apr 1996 1/8mile TBA

Willowbank jam 1996 1/4mile 12.82 @ 102.76mph Craig Paton

VW Nats 17 Apr 1997 1/8mile 8.65 @ 77.98mph Mike Kristen

VW Nats 11 Apr 1998 1/8mile 8.95 @ 74.56mph Jan Cook

VW Nats 3 Apr 1999 1/8mile 8.74 @ 74.25 Craig Torrens

VW Nats 22 Apr 2000 1/8mile 8.60 @ 80.35mph Leigh Harris

VW Nats 14 Apr 2001 1/8mile 8.56 @ 74.65mph Leigh Harris

VW Nats 30 Mar 2002 1/8mile 8.80 @ 79.66mph Leigh Harris

VW Nats 2003 not run

VW Nats 10 Apr 2004 1/4 mile 12.91 @ 106.77mph Leigh Harris

VW Nats 22 May 2005 1/4 mile 13.76 @ 98.71mph Sebastian Najder


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=10109#pid8349

[ Edited on 26-1-07 by dumone ]

Bug_racer Officially Full-On Dubber

351 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#568084
As the last winner of the trophy and the first watercooled I'd love to add some of my thoughts .

When the original concept of the Gene Berg trophy came out it was pretty much a scene dominated by Carbys . There were few turbo cars and even fewer with injection , the last few years has seen aftermarket ecu's become cheaper , easier to tune and a lot more readily available . The same goes for roller bearing turbo's . I think the development for N/A Air cooled motors has almosted peaked , if it hasnt there is little more than can be done without getting into big $$$$ . Then there is a question of reliability .

The S3 back then had a chip and DV valve , nothing else it was driven to the track , driven home and back to daily driving duties for the wife on Monday . Since then its had a bigger turbo fitted and some other modifications but its still a daily driver . I drove it to Warwick , wife raced it and I drove it back down to Sydney . To me thats what the Gene Berg trophy was all about .

And as for changing the name etc . I beleive that Gene Berg gave his life to VW . Out of respect I personally would like his name to remain on the trophy . The rules should be changed to accomodate the advances in technology and the law .

I know some of you wont agree with me but these are just my views

HotRodMatt If it\'s old or rare - cut it!

3,616 posts · joined Sep 2002 ·

#568126

Whitty Seriously Crusin Dubber

127 posts · joined Sep 2003 ·

#568127
The only thing that this thread needs is for someone to start going off about 1916's.....

BeetleJuice Officially Full-On Dubber

350 posts · joined Sep 2006 ·

#568193
dumone wrote:Gene Berg Trophy Drag Race Rules

The Gene Berg Trophy is a perpetual award, presented to the driver of the FASTEST ROAD REGISTERED VW. As there may be some confusion over exactly what is a "road registered" car, the following rules have been implemented.

1. The vehicle must be registered. That is the chassis and engine numbers must match up with the registration papers, sticker and plates. This can be checked by the scrutineers.

2. The cooling system must be intact. The cylinder tin, fan housing and fan must be fitted, although the fan belt may be removed for a run.

3. The best time only in "racing" will be counted.

4. The vehicle must run on pump petrol, for example leaded super, or standard or hi octane unleaded. No exotic chemistry allowed.

5. Street tyres must be run .No drag slicks are allowed. Road tyres must have a minimum of 1.5 mm tread.

6. Fitting of the rear seat and rear seat belts is optional but both front seats and belts must be fitted.

7. Fibreglass mudguards, bonnets, whale tails and spoilers are allowed, but the body and doors must be factory steel.

8. No perspex windows are allowed, all windows must be glass.

9. The spare wheel must be fitted for safety reasons.

10. Exhaust design is unlimited except that it must meet the track noise requirements.

11. Vehicles for this class must be able to be driven on the street in the normal manner. If scrutineers are in any doubt, you may be required to complete a 15 km drive.


Gene Berg Fastest street Registered VW

1/4mile = 440 yards or 1320 feet

1/8mile = 220 yards or 660 feet

all speed reading have been converted to MPH for similarity

Canberra action 13 Mar 1989 1/4mile 13.60 @ 99.4mph Joanne Smith

VW Nats 14 Apr 1990 850ft 10.16 @ 86.04mph Jeff Unwin

ClubVW day 1 Dec 1990 850ft 10.03 @ 87.37mph Jeff Unwin

VW Nats 1 Apr 1991 850ft 9.78 @ 90.18mph Paul Zanello

Club VW day 7 Dec 1991 850ft 8.77 @ 79.71mph Richard Holzl

VW Nats 18 Apr 1992 850ft 8.69 @ 83.33mph Richard Holzl

Willowbank jam 7 Jun 1992 1/4mile 14.12 @ 95.54mph Lance Adam

VW nats 12 Apr 1993 850ft 11.14 @ 79.01mph James McKinnon


3 JUNE 1993 TRACK LENGTH ALTERED FROM 850 TO 660 FEET 1/8 MILE


Club VW day 27Nov 1993 1/8mile 8.92 @ 76.60mph Jeff Unwin

VW Nats 2 Apr 1994 1/8mile 8.76 @ 78.32mph Keith Haeusler

Willowbank jam 1994 1/4mile 13.18 @ 103mph Jeff Unwin

VW Nats 15 Apr 1995 1/8mile 9.10 @ 74.78mph Keith Haeusler

Willowbank jam 1995 1/4mile 13.35 @ 100.4mph Craig Paton

VW Nats 6 Apr 1996 1/8mile TBA

Willowbank jam 1996 1/4mile 12.82 @ 102.76mph Craig Paton

VW Nats 17 Apr 1997 1/8mile 8.65 @ 77.98mph Mike Kristen

VW Nats 11 Apr 1998 1/8mile 8.95 @ 74.56mph Jan Cook

VW Nats 3 Apr 1999 1/8mile 8.74 @ 74.25 Craig Torrens

VW Nats 22 Apr 2000 1/8mile 8.60 @ 80.35mph Leigh Harris

VW Nats 14 Apr 2001 1/8mile 8.56 @ 74.65mph Leigh Harris

VW Nats 30 Mar 2002 1/8mile 8.80 @ 79.66mph Leigh Harris

VW Nats 2003 not run

VW Nats 10 Apr 2004 1/4 mile 12.91 @ 106.77mph Leigh Harris

VW Nats 22 May 2005 1/4 mile 13.76 @ 98.71mph Sebastian Najder


http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=10109#pid8349

[ Edited on 26-1-07 by dumone ]
I find this confusing because...does it mean that turbo,supercharged or gas cars can compete against carby cars ?❓

It seams weird because Bergs didn't promote power added engines... to my knowledge anyhow?
FringeDweller

frenzix Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,742 posts · joined Dec 2003 ·

#568208
who gives a shit. it's all boring to me. buy a splitty and take it easy
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