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Notch H6 , V6 or 2.5 and Which g50 box

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riverrat13 ·

Ok ive just bought a 72 notch, dont even have it yet. Its coming up from sydney. And ive been reading here and on shop talk for a while. Sounds like if your serious about reliable big power you need a shit load of cash (relative) and a g50 box.

I spose i have a few questions.

Firstly the g50 box. Are they all the same ratio's
rDont realy need one that does 190mph !

THe Notchback



Which would be the better daily driver h6, ej20t, ej25t.
Turbo lag? To much/not enough Power?

Are there any advantages in the Notch of having a flat motor over a v6 being that it could be messy anyway.Thats going on one ej20t notch conversion pic i saw.Obviously there are plenty of cheaper v6's around.

I might just go through with it in some form or another. Its been a few years since ive owned a type 3 so i'll see how hard the bug bites this time around. If i do decide it will be soon. This is the kind of car Noddy would drive. Mabe Noddy's a wolf in sheeps clothing. 🤘

Thanks All
Rich



Kuranda QLD

[ Edited on 14-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]

seagull ·

riverrat13 wrote:Ok ive just bought a 72 notch, dont even have it yet. Its coming up from sydney. And ive been reading here and on shop talk for a while. Sounds like if your serious about reliable big power you need a shit load of cash (relative) and a g50 box.

some say this

I spose i have a few questions.

Firstly the g50 box. Are they all the same ratio's

have a look on the web at the part numbers
heap of info out there

CheerDont realy need one that does 190mph !

why I do !

THe Notchback



Which would be the better daily driver

h6 very good motor , I have one

ej20t yes best bang for your $

ej25t yes with a VF34 this would be a killa
have done one over here MONSTER

Turbo lag all have

To much/not enough Power? never enough power

Are there any advantages in the Notch of having a flat motor over a v6 being that it could be messy anyway.

Thats going on one ej20t notch conversion pic i saw.

Obviously there are plenty of cheaper v6's around.
get a honda some go backwards 🙂

I might just go through with it in some form or another. Its been a few years since ive owned a type 3 so i'll see how hard the bug bites this time around. If i do decide it will be soon. This is the kind of car Noddy would drive. Mabe Noddy's

a wolf in sheeps clothing

MMM a good quote from a mate of mine

Best arround is Subaru IMO

Its turbo time , seagull

Thanks All
Rich



Kuranda QLD

riverrat13 ·

g50 dicussion links

http://www.rennsportsystems.com/1-d.html

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=25930

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=17&f=20&t=82851

looks like there are plenty of options

rubyred ·

www.subynotch.com

ejs are nice.

Klaus ·

having just clocked 6500kms in ej20t powered 68 squareback as a work car, I would seriously think about doing this conversion , it added about 100kg to overall weight of the car and cost me about 6500 to do the conversion including engineering.

riverrat13 ·

Klaus it sounds good along with the price. How does it drive. What gear box are you running. Any anoying turbo lag?. Hows the sound? Has it got enough grunt 4 you? What did you get enginered?

hehe got to ask these questions

Im kinda leaning towards the EZ30r being that its probably more the refined motor, beter for every day use. What do you rekon?

Still waiting on her to arive

Thanks for the input everyone

please all give YOUR opinion


THanks Rich

seagull ·

The H6 motor would be a big deal for little gain .I have a H6 & there is nothing ( no power above 4500rpm then you have every thing on your plate in one hit .If the car was not 4x4 it would not stay on the road .

you would be better with a 2.5 motor from a bug eye the other 2.5 ltrs are still having issues with the head gaskets .

The 2.5 ltr pull like a 16 year old boy on heat !

Go & drive a 2.5 ltr subaru manual with a 4.444 gear box & report back here .
at the same time drive a H6 & do the same there only autos so drive it through the gears

I love all the power in the world * but * you can not over look the 2.5 ltr quad cam for a every day driver .

If you dont want the turbo lag , dont get a big turbo ! The VF10 comes on around 2200rpm & the TDO4 lower 2000 there abouts .

A stock WRX JDM auto has a TD04 but with a 4.111 drive line & the hatch back JDM manual has a TD04 ( bigger car ) still with a 4.111 drive

WRX auto turbo motors are around $2300.00 with loom & ecu .


klaus , did you take the V foce guys for a spin ? did hear some storys going around in the west mate .

seagull

pete wood ·

if I may make a suggestion...and it depends what your engineer says, but I did some maths last year and the 4l lexus V8 should be legal in a late type 3.
🤓
the new higher capacity to weight limit (now national) makes it ok. it would be almost cheaper and smoother than either an EJ20t or an H6, and a heap stronger motor. The 3.8 holden motor and the 380 mitsu motor are also both legal. the question is always gearbox though. but then if you are heading towards a g50 with tall gearing, a torquey V8 is going to be great behind it anyway. the only drama will be weight distribution, but then you can always move the drive train forward a few inches and shift the battery and a few other things into the front of the car.
I'm trying to con a mate of mine to go the holden V6 in his late notch, should be tops if he stops stalling and does it. 👍

1303Steve ·

Hi

I have a JDM G50 for my bug, its the same box that the VWRX runs. The ratios aren't that bad, I did this chart to compare stock 1303 (L bug) ratios and the G50 at 6000 rpm shift point with a 25.315 inch tyre (235/45x17).

A modified stock VW box will live with higher output motor, it all depends on the nut behind the wheel.

Pete, are the new laws in yet? I cant find any reference to them on the NSW RTA site.

Steve

pete wood ·

mmmm, they came out last year, so I can't see why not. I've notive the RTA tends to leave lots of useful things off the site. either that, or they are buried in bulletins and you can't find them easily. I'll have to ask my mate the engineer.

riverrat13 ·

THanks for the input fellas, keep it coming!

V8 would be insane, I should check the dimentions although like you said the weight and distribution......... , Wouldn't say it's overkill though. It would be good for towing and blowing away most things.

Steve they seem good ratios.


looks like at the moment the ej25t is the most sensible option for the notch. Its tried and tested as they say and as you say Seagull.

I've got a lot of home work to do on this now but im gonna ask some anoying questions anyway 🙂

Firstly which ej25t? where can i get one? Should i build my own from an n.a. short block ?

What do i need to mate the motor and g50box? Anyone got one 4 sale?

What other questions should i be asking?

My budget is capable but no not exbendible.

Im in the process of attaining metal fab tools, not purely for the notch alone but other aswell. That will help.

Dadanaaaa!

RIch

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seagull ·

riverrat13 wrote:THanks for the input fellas, keep it coming!

V8 would be insane, I should check the dimentions although like you said the weight and distribution......... , Wouldn't say it's overkill though. It would be good for towing and blowing away most things.

Steve they seem good ratios.


looks like at the moment the ej25t is the most sensible option for the notch. Its tried and tested as they say and as you say Seagull.

EJ20 G ( 2ltr turbo ) not a 2.5 ltr !

having just fit one $$$$$$$$$$$$ you need that many $ for the motor & ecu lines run on....


I've got a lot of home work to do on this now but im gonna ask some anoying questions anyway 🙂

Firstly which ej25t? where can i get one? Should i build my own from an n.a. short block ?

What do i need to mate the motor and g50box? Anyone got one 4 sale?
$5500.00 > $6500.00

What other questions should i be asking?
0407074141
give me a call after 6pm perth times Seagull

My budget is capable but no not exbendible.

Im in the process of attaining metal fab tools, not purely for the notch alone but other aswell. That will help.

Dadanaaaa!

RIch

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seagull ·

I was saying 2.5 ltr n/a not a turbo 2.5 G ( turbo ) for your aplication 🙂

riverrat13 ·

Seagull I'm meang the ej25t motor itself is tried and tested for power not the conversion itself. And your right you didnt recomend the turbo. I do talk shit sometimes. THe computer screen does things to my brain. I'll give you a call mate. Guess i could start off n.a. and go from there but hmmm. The 2.5 is a big can of worms in itself. Just been reading a few forums and they're getting seriously BIG numbers from the 2.5 turbo's.

Rich

1916 ·

the 2.5litre turbo would cost significantly more to purchase than the 2litre turbo which is why the 2litre turbo is such a good base.

can still get large power from a 2litre turbo....300rwhp not enough for ya? hahahah

Anthony

1303Steve ·

Hi Pete

I spent about 1/2 hour searching the RTA website all I found where the old regs, maybe they don't want to tell anyone about them. From memory the new wheel size limitations sucked.

Steve

riverrat13 ·

Anthony 300whp is nothing mate!

WhooooWhaaaaaaHaahaahaahaaa!


Just kiddin but the low down torque of the 2.5 may be the better every day driver depending on how you set it up. Theres tons of information on the n.a.'s and ej25t's ive just got to sift through it all but please keep all your opinions comin 🙂

THere should be another thread "ej20t vs ej22t vs ej25t vs ez30r vs ej20,22,25 n.a."

cheers

Rich

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seagull ·

Ok
Ej20G , easy to get parts & there is a lot around cost me 2K

Ej22 with wrx heads I made it a closed deck cost me 6k

Ej25 with wrx heads left it open deck cost me 8K

Ez 30 or 33svx turbo seen guys costs above 30K & still going

There is a lot of info here Rich the search button top left will help you .Please just take some time to look through the files its a good read .

Athony were are you at with the bug ?

seagull

pete wood ·

how much a the lexus V8 seagull? Weren't they selling for like 2k as a front cut?

1916 ·

yeah they arent too expensive but they are very wide motors apparently...would have a tough time fitting one i think.

pete wood ·

If you trim out the rear floor, there's plenty of room in the back of notch. You need to trim out the floor for a Subie anyway don't you?

gull ·

toyotas are $1200.00 !

1916 ·

registration issues?

4Litre?

although im not sure on the weight of a notch.

pete wood ·

gull wrote:toyotas are $1200.00 !
I think we have a winner! :bounce

1916, according to the new capacity/weight limits, the late notch should be able to have about a 4.1 litre atmo motor.

http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=45254

I think these were accepted.

[ Edited on 15-2-07 by pete wood ]

1916 ·

wow..if thats the case...GO FOR IT...excellent engines..huge potential...and they rev freely...mmmm

definatley my favourite v8 out there

riverrat13 ·

I'm interested in how type threes will perform with all this power . How much is to much.Theyre certantly light up front. V8 would be alittle heavy wouldn't it? or is it all in how you set the car up?

sti ej257 blocks brand new $3900 and to finnish it probably ten.

Havent sourced g50 yet

Takhoal ·

http://www.dotars.gov.au/roads/motor/design/adr_online.aspx

pete wood ·

riverrat13 wrote:I'm interested in how type threes will perform with all this power . How much is to much.Theyre certantly light up front. V8 would be alittle heavy wouldn't it? or is it all in how you set the car up?

sti ej257 blocks brand new $3900 and to finnish it probably ten.

Havent sourced g50 yet
porsche manage a 40/60 weight split in 911s with 3.8 litres 6s. And that's with a shorter wheelbase than a notch. If you think hard and be deliberate, you should be able to get that out of the notch with the V8 in it. I guess it would mean things like fibreglass rear fender and boot, moving the battery up front, moving the engine and tranny forward. Having anything at the rear of the car constructed with lightness in mind.

1916 ·

those 1uzfe's are all alloy blocks anyway arent they?

fairly light for what they are

riverrat13 ·

Takhoal nice link mate.

Like the idea of fibreglass fenders on the rear, especially if theyre wider, allowing a wider track.Dunno if thats leagl. The front would be a must aswell. I've been thinking there are a bolt on wheel arches like the torana slr5000, land rover defender, others?

But seriously a 2.5 sti block has got way enough power potential mabe not as smooth and predictable as a six or eight ,It would Retainin use of the boot, have less weight keeping the car more nimble.

How do you guy's rekon the notch would go as a semi off road orientated kit, with the flared guards i mentioned alowing for bigger fatter 4x4 tyres, bull bar, side steps, spotlights and because of the weight of the bullbar why NOT? slap in the 1uzfe for good measure. Perfect balance! I do live on a dirt road and my cars are always muddy!

The confusion persits but Confucious say....... Confusion, Confer and yea shall Concive.
SHUT UP

Your all brilliant 🙂

Rich

[ Edited on 16-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]

1916 ·

i dont think ANYONE would have anything bad to say about a 2.5litre STI engine...

i think most were giving the cheaper option...


go for it i say

Anthony

seagull ·

Simons notch is going to mad ! I am looking forward to building the motor up in a few weeks time .

Rich you will need one of these set ups , this is the last one

Subarus rock !

riverrat13 ·

Dudes, for the first time went an drove The Notchess today. First she wouldnt start, after looking on the passager seat. there was a note " turn on ignition, at the same time toggle switch behind drivers side. She works After 15 minute i found the switch, buried in the vertical carpet out side the baterrycompartment
The outer body/paint is in superb nick. She goes well and first impression, very nicely for stock. Still got numberplates from nsw so no need to get permit/insurance at $100 to get it home. Gamble. Interiors CRAP and so is the dash but the underpinnings excelent in that there is no rust anywhere. Took it for a drive round the block (she's at the truck yard still} and what a trippy but short drive. Im 6ft and i felt high in the cock pitand close to the windscreen( good vision), The sports sterring whell gave an unussual fell , the motor pulled adequatley, but crickey this is like no other car ever built, must be the motor in the back, the riding position, i cant explain but memorys or not of This car put's a grin in yar body. It does!
Proud owner!


I'll think about the rest tomorrow.

btw bought myself a tig, cigweld transtig 200.

cheers Rich

btbtw, i need to build a shed for this project to happen.

"god's speed to you all"
Amen















yA WAKO'S


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gull ·

YAWN !

riverrat13 ·

Thanks for sharing my enthusiasm gulll. NOt!

I have a 2.5 sti block sorted and being built (na to begin with) . now the gearbox option. No g50 yet but bugger the money thats still the plan. WHere can i get an adapter kit? and i can i expect extra problems with this gearbox conversion that i wouldn't find converting it to a beetle IRS. There are a few threads and info pages on the g50/beetle swap but cant find one for the type 3.

One step at a time.
Cheers Rich

seagull ·

That was me at a remote log in & my way of bumping the post

2.5 g with a larger turbo will pump out 205kw at the wheels , monster torqe as well


can you post up a photo of your STI block ? looking down the bore & showing the deck face & tell you what you have just purchased

Sherman in qld is your man for your adapter plate & fly wheel

riverrat13 ·

Best i can do is this photo , I'm paying for it tomorrowand will arive.

These are the specs

STi block $3200
Forged pistons $900
Forged Rods $700
Competition bearings $400
Balance $250
Measure clearances, check and dummy assembly $150
Torque plate Hone $200
This combo owes $5800 to the seller (not including assembly costs)


Im getting it for $4500 including build. All brand new. The rest ill build myself. Like i said i'm going for n.a to begin with but obviously now with future options.

Sourced a g50 01 today for $5500.surposed to be in good order. Comes with a 3month waranty. I told them it will be a while before its up and running so with conformation from the local "blueplate mechanic" they'l start the waranty when the car is on the road.

The g50 01 is the right choice yeah? comments.....

teatime

Rich

Edited:: Not actuaul photo> The motor is yet to be built.

???...... Take my word for it and ask me next week.

[ Edited on 26-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]

seagull ·

:thumb

I think your going to shit your self on the first drive when its turbo 🙂

good to see some one else is just as mad as me

god to turbo & forget the n/a

riverrat13 ·

Any one got any tips or links on installing the g50 to the IRS ? Looks to me like the center off the torsion tube could be cut and fabbed to take the extra length of the g50.

Your thoughts ?

Should this be a new thread?

And yep its more than i bargained for.

Rich

seagull ·

riverrat13 wrote:Any one got any tips or links on installing the g50 to the IRS ?

9" grinder


Looks to me like the center off the torsion tube could be cut and fabbed to take the extra length of the g50.

yep the grinder is your best mate

Your thoughts ?
throw a bucket of water over your self at this point of time


Should this be a new thread?
no


Steves bug will give you the tips you need for this ?

And yep its more than i bargained for.
yep , but when you blow away a R32 GTR :thumb

Rich

riverrat13 ·

Yeah seagull i looked at Steves page today. Thats a swingarm isn"t it? Iwouldnt know > Just i couldnt match steve's photos too the irs under the notch today.

By the way way steve i found your bug site and pics by googleing "vw g50 torsion bar". Good one mate!.Your paving the the way for the future generation of vwcakes. What is it irs or swing arm?

I kinda got scared whiler talking to John Sherman (top bloke and a wealth of information) about the g50 conversion and its complexities. The g50 conversion alone could easily swallow 12k against $4000 i was quoted today for 2l kombi box, rebuilt with albin..? gears from leons motors. I'll hold back on the gearbox no with a little patience i think.

shermans got good bits too like kits allowing stud pattern for different mags and he can make up a kit for g50. Thanks seagull.

So it is ok to butcher the center of the irs torsion bar where the front of the gearbox is mounted? Thus allowing for extra room. I,ve got to get a camera.



Rich

now poor

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[ Edited on 27-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]

riverrat13 ·

Heres a link to a g50 bug conversion although i cant make sense of the photos.

IRS ?

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:DqW8TVlOlx4J:www.nova-international.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D827+vw+g50+torsion+bar+irs&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7

1303Steve ·

Hi

Lets see photos of your work before you call me a butcher.

Its IRS, I'm using swing axle (40hp/1500) length torsion bars which are shorter, this allows the gearbox to move forward into the area where the original torsion bars were anchored.

Steve

riverrat13 ·

Sorry man stupid choice of words no offence whats so ever. What i meant to say was i couldnt recognise that pic where u had cut heaps out of the center to what i looked at under my notch. Definitley could have thought about what i was writing more. I'd still call it butchering but only because so much has to be cut out of it. Not anyones particular work.

Like i said your making it easier for the rest of us and i totaly apriciate it.

hows that for humble pie

Quote

"Its IRS, I'm using swing axle (40hp/1500) length torsion bars which are shorter, this allows the

gearbox to move forward into the area where the original torsion bars were anchored."

Ive got to wrap my head around this.

Rich

seagull ·

Over here in Perth Luke is fitting a kombi 2ltr box with those gears & a berg center ( converting to a bug nose cone ) he has also a berg trans mounting kit .

The gear box adapter plate & fly wheel is one of mine with few custom bits thrown in .
you will find a gear box like this will save you a lot of time as it then becomes a direct fit

Steve has many years of building under his belt & knows his shit when it comes to these gear boxes , he has blown them up !

at the end of the day if you can get a G50 for 5K buy it !

1303Steve ·

Hi Rich

No offence taken mate, just bad choice of words.

The IRS torsion bars almost meet in the middle of the pan, so the swinger ones I'm using are shorter because swingers use a flat style spring plate, the IRS use a spring plate where the torsion bar protrudes past the spring plate and into the area in front of the rear wheel. So I have moved the splines for the torsion bars further out in the torsion bar tubes.

A guy named Russ Fellows in the UK has a G50 in bug, he didn't move anything forward to far so his motor would hang back further than mine.

Steve

ricola ·

Steve,
Have you seen pics of Russ's bug? He was running a 915 for quite a long time and has only just got a G50, I didn't know he had got anywhere with fitting it...
As for fitting the G50, I bought one for my project but unfortunately had to sell it in the end and am carrying on with an AT trans. I was using a type 1 adapter kit with longer studs and it bolted together fine, the flywheel could be modified by having the teeth turned off and a 911 bolt on ring gear fittting, then use a 928 friction disc as this has the correct splines and 200mm diameter for the flywheel. All that remains after that is using a saab style hydraulic release bearing.
Rich

1303Steve ·

Hi Rih

It may have been someone else, I will dig up the photos I have somewhere.

Steve

1303Steve ·

Hi

These are the photos I have, I assumed that they were of Russ Fellows set-up.

Steve

1303Steve ·

And the other one

ricola ·

That's Mark Thurston's Oval... It was featured in Volksworld a while back, unfortunately it runs a turbo'd type 4 but his bus is scooby powered!

JVLRacing ·

riverrat13 wrote:Yeah seagull i looked at Steves page today. Thats a swingarm isn"t it? Iwouldnt know > Just i couldnt match steve's photos too the irs under the notch today.

By the way way steve i found your bug site and pics by googleing "vw g50 torsion bar". Good one mate!.Your paving the the way for the future generation of vwcakes. What is it irs or swing arm?

I kinda got scared whiler talking to John Sherman (top bloke and a wealth of information) about the g50 conversion and its complexities. The g50 conversion alone could easily swallow 12k against $4000 i was quoted today for 2l kombi box, rebuilt with albin..? gears from leons motors. I'll hold back on the gearbox no with a little patience i think.

shermans got good bits too like kits allowing stud pattern for different mags and he can make up a kit for g50. Thanks seagull.

So it is ok to butcher the center of the irs torsion bar where the front of the gearbox is mounted? Thus allowing for extra room. I,ve got to get a camera.



Rich

now poor

[ Edited on 27-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]

[ Edited on 27-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]
Lbox with straight cuts and albins and lighter better way to go!

JVLRacing ·

riverrat13 wrote:Best i can do is this photo , I'm paying for it tomorrowand will arive.

These are the specs

STi block $3200
Forged pistons $900
Forged Rods $700
Competition bearings $400
Balance $250
Measure clearances, check and dummy assembly $150
Torque plate Hone $200
This combo owes $5800 to the seller (not including assembly costs)


Im getting it for $4500 including build. All brand new. The rest ill build myself. Like i said i'm going for n.a to begin with but obviously now with future options.

Sourced a g50 01 today for $5500.surposed to be in good order. Comes with a 3month waranty. I told them it will be a while before its up and running so with conformation from the local "blueplate mechanic" they'l start the waranty when the car is on the road.

The g50 01 is the right choice yeah? comments.....

teatime

Rich

Edited:: Not actuaul photo> The motor is yet to be built.

???...... Take my word for it and ask me next week.

[ Edited on 26-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]
M8 thats a top price $4500....that top listing Yuk! so will you go turbo eventually?

1303Steve ·

ricola wrote:then use a 928 friction disc as this has the correct splines and 200mm diameter for the flywheel.
Rich
Hi Rich

Any idea what model 928? Or are they all the same?

Steve

ricola ·

Sorry, not from memory. I do remember chatting to you about it via email at the time, can't remember if I was more detailed then? If you can't find the email I'll have a dig on my home pc, it is 2nd hand information that I was told...
Rich
1303Steve wrote:
ricola wrote:then use a 928 friction disc as this has the correct splines and 200mm diameter for the flywheel.
Rich
Hi Rich

Any idea what model 928? Or are they all the same?

Steve

1303Steve ·

Hi Rich

Thanks for that, I checked the Pelican site and it looks like they use a twin plate setup.

Steve

riverrat13 ·

The short is being shipped today.WIll i turbo it sut sure yet. G50 turns out out to be $5500 + $1000 for linkages with new bushes etc butI keep tooing and frowing over the gear box choice though. The motor will be easliy capable of 450+hp and the g50 aswell. But is that too much. That means a quaife lsd too. Hows the poor little notch gonna handle it?


Quote from JVL racing

"Lbox with straight cuts and albins and lighter better way to go!"

It would definitely be the easier option.

Rich

1303Steve ·

JVLRacing wrote:Lbox with straight cuts and albins and lighter better way to go!
Hi John

Good idea. Just get friendly with a tow truck driver, or tow your car everywhere, no worries then.:P

Steve

riverrat13 ·

lol Steve hehehehe 😂

JVLRacing ·

1303Steve wrote:
JVLRacing wrote:Lbox with straight cuts and albins and lighter better way to go!
Hi John

Good idea. Just get friendly with a tow truck driver, or tow your car everywhere, no worries then.:P

Steve
hahaha!

gull ·

and a V3 STI will eat this combo

come to perth & I show you

JVLRacing ·

riverrat13 wrote:The short is being shipped today.WIll i turbo it sut sure yet. G50 turns out out to be $5500 + $1000 for linkages with new bushes etc butI keep tooing and frowing over the gear box choice though. The motor will be easliy capable of 450+hp and the g50 aswell. But is that too much. That means a quaife lsd too. Hows the poor little notch gonna handle it?


Quote from JVL racing

"Lbox with straight cuts and albins and lighter better way to go!"

It would definitely be the easier option.

Rich
To be honest m8 i dont think a Lbox will handle 400hp+ especially for my 2.5 project.

JVLRacing ·

gull wrote:and a V3 STI will eat this combo

come to perth & I show you
proof !

seagull ·

Proof !

say a few more words JVL

seagull

JVLRacing ·

seagull wrote:Proof !

say a few more words JVL

seagull
Ok Seagull,Why is your V3sti better then this combo?

riverrat13 ·

Anyone know where i can find a diagram of the irs suspendtion setup?

seagull ·

USDM EJ257 STI engine - Mahle forged pistons, ported WRX heads, ARP head studs, metal head gaskets
700cc injectors with parallel fuel rails
Rebuilt GTPS01 (TD05H-16G)turbo - rotated housing
Bosch coil conversion
Apexi PowerFC
3" system & no cat
FMIC c/w water spray
This set up cost AU $13K & made 198 at the wheels

I should of stated V2 STI as that made 209kw at the wheels same turbo above ( turbo was off the same car & these two motors were fitted to the same car same hard ware as well .
cost AU $7K

V3 STI with a VF34 turbo & autronics will kick the 2 combos above I give you the ks soon as the motors about done


The above is based on real facts , my self would I build a 2.5 😵‍💫

humpty ·

seagull wrote:The above is based on real facts , my self would I build a 2.5 😵‍💫
And thats what we are doing hey Neil?...... I have the EJ25 going in my Notch which we are building up with STI bits and the TDO4L turbo and RS intercooler... The trans is currently going to to be a built SSP.... The IRS conversion is based on a swingaxle torsion housing with IRS pivot boxes....

B4 you cut up your torsion housing I would do some measuring.... My bro fitted an EJ20T (IRS TI box) to his Notch 12 years ago and there is loads of room at the back of the engine bay.... You may be able to fit the G50/EJ25 without cutting up the housing.....

Measure twice, cut once....

seagull ·

😂

yes * we * are fucking mad !

before God I stand , was the a fast 2.5 Simon or what ( ! )

Seagull !

humpty ·

That RS was insane.... Just imagine what that donk in a car that weighs 1000kg lighter and 40% more efficient in the driveline can do!!!!

JVLRacing ·

seagull wrote:USDM EJ257 STI engine - Mahle forged pistons, ported WRX heads, ARP head studs, metal head gaskets
700cc injectors with parallel fuel rails
Rebuilt GTPS01 (TD05H-16G)turbo - rotated housing
Bosch coil conversion
Apexi PowerFC
3" system & no cat
FMIC c/w water spray
This set up cost AU $13K & made 198 at the wheels

I should of stated V2 STI as that made 209kw at the wheels same turbo above ( turbo was off the same car & these two motors were fitted to the same car same hard ware as well .
cost AU $7K

V3 STI with a VF34 turbo & autronics will kick the 2 combos above I give you the ks soon as the motors about done


The above is based on real facts , my self would I build a 2.5 😵‍💫
OK neil,nice figures but still a little down what my 2L can do:P and yes you are a mad p...:thumb

one4 ·

seagull wrote:3" system & no cat
Are you allowed to run a subie engine without a cat?

Richard

gull ·

no mate it stuffs the planet

one4 ·

Thats what I thought.

Richard

humpty ·

one4 wrote:
seagull wrote:3" system & no cat
Are you allowed to run a subie engine without a cat?

Richard
Check the legislation in your state.... I don't have (but I will) to run cats on my EG33 powered 1985 Transporter..... But it does harm the planet...

🙂

type2nut2 ·

Hey Humpty - how are you?
It has been a long time!
What stage is the EG33 powered bus at?

Cheers,

Andy,
Ceduna.

humpty ·

U2U 2 U Andy....

riverrat13 ·

I contacted Berg in the Us and they only do the conversion to type 2 irs for the 002 box not the 091. Does anyone do the 091?

Is the 002 as strong as the 091 if their both built boxes. Does it just come down to the strength of the case?

They wont have the 002 kits for a couple of months.

Rich.

Edit found this. http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=680114&highlight=&sid=e3995e53dd8cf27e90f5cb2a9df925fd

[ Edited on 8-4-2007 by riverrat13 ]

malcolm ·

915 box in beetle with porsche 944 torsion tubes
getting around RTA laws and wheel sizes
use 944 irs arms with porsche drive axles wheel track to comply with porsche and wheels sizes and load
shorter torsion bars 26"



this would work in a notch
the gearbox moved back 100mm.

pete wood ·

riverrat13 wrote:I contacted Berg in the Us and they only do the conversion to type 2 irs for the 002 box not the 091. Does anyone do the 091?

Is the 002 as strong as the 091 if their both built boxes. Does it just come down to the strength of the case?

They wont have the 002 kits for a couple of months.

Rich.

Edit found this. http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=680114&highlight=&sid=e3995e53dd8cf27e90f5cb2a9df925fd

[ Edited on 8-4-2007 by riverrat13 ]
I might be wrong, but as I understand it, the extra strength with an 091 is in the diff and the gears. The diff and side bearings swap straight into a 002 1800 box I've been told. I'm a bit surprised that bergs don't do one that hooks up to an 091 box though. Jeff Unwin (Helbug fame) was raving about 091s into bugs with Berg nosecones years ago. He knew berg's catalog inside out at the time.

malcolm ·

give Richard a call at V-force.