plastic gage specs on rod journals

Sick68VW Officially Full-On Dubber

303 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 15 Jun 2007, 7:12 pm

#597175

hey all just mocking up the bottom end and checked the rod clearence with a plastic gage but cant find the spec anywhere in my book i want to know if they are in spec here they are
num1 .038mm
num2 .051mm
num3 .076mm
num4 .0.76mm

im not jst a bit suss about number 1 as it seems very different to the others. anyone know thanks

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 16 Jun 2007, 6:52 am

#597252

Hi Stephen,
Those sizes are within spec and wear limit.
My books say .03mm to .09mm.....BUT!

Generally you would want to have less than .075 and at least .05 for a performance application.

Numbers 2 to 4 will be fine, but number 1 is a little tight.

Plastigage is a good check, but try it again because you may have squeezed out the plastigage a bit when removing the cap.(thus indicating less than actual clearance)

If in doubt,the number 1 rod journal or rod tunnel in case it is in error.

Good man for checking clearances, most people don't and think 'she'll be right'.

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Sick68VW Officially Full-On Dubber

303 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 16 Jun 2007, 1:02 pm

#597319

Thanks dave for the info i rechecked the clearence on number 1 and found it to be .076 so i am know happy and i can start to put the bottom end together .I would rather spend the extra hour of rechecking things then more money and time if something go's wrong. Do it once do it propley thats what i belive.:thumb

StephenM Commited Dubber

57 posts · joined Jun 2007 · 17 Jun 2007, 6:35 pm

#597503

Where did you learn about building engines. I'm thinking about doing a tafe course. What do you think?

Sick68VW Officially Full-On Dubber

303 posts · joined Mar 2003 · 17 Jun 2007, 10:59 pm

#597606

I use to work in a vw workshop in sydney and learnt a lot in my time and now i try and do eventhing myself. yeah it would be worth doing a course at tafe its always good to learn new things i learn somthing new eveyday.

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5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 18 Jun 2007, 5:21 am

#597619

I also learn something new every day, and I got into volksies in 1983.

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16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 18 Jun 2007, 7:09 am

#597624

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fullnoise Fahrvergnugen

964 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 18 Jun 2007, 9:05 am

#597635

I tried the plasti-gauge but I couldn't do it without moving the rod and smearing the Plasti-gauge. Some tips on how to do a successful measurement would be appreciated. Thanks

CT

esratrams

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1,593 posts · joined Aug 2005 · 18 Jun 2007, 12:14 pm

#597662

fullnoise wrote:I tried the plasti-gauge but I couldn't do it without moving the rod and smearing the Plasti-gauge. Some tips on how to do a successful measurement would be appreciated. Thanks

CT

Ct, i just lay the crank on the bench and lay the plastigage across the journal then very carefully mate the rod cap to the rod, then slowly torque the rods first to 15 ft lbs then in increments of 5 ftlbs till i get to 25 to 30 ft lbs depends on which rods you are using. while i torque the rods i have one hand on the crank and rod holding both still, and torque with the other hand. It takes me about 10 minutes per rod. then once both bolts are torqued, i dissasemble slowly, and with a soft tap with a soft face hammer i pop the cap off. It takes time but worth it. i got three sizes of plastigage from repco @ $2 a pack. Damo.

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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 18 Jun 2007, 5:06 pm

#597702

You have to be careful with anny tapping of the caps that it does not squash the plastigage
and give a wider reading (and therefore less clearance reading) .

When doing the check, the journal and beaing must be dry,
and the plastigage in the centre of the bearing semi-circle.
Most bearings actually have more clearance built into them as you get near the parting edge.
It is designed into the bearing as an oil wedge
to hold the bearing away from the journal in dynamic operation.

What ever method you use, try it twice to see if you can get repeatable results.

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fullnoise Fahrvergnugen

964 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 18 Jun 2007, 6:42 pm

#597725

Thanks for the tips guys.

I think this will take a bit of practice. At least now I know it can be done.

A weak excuse to build another engine none the less.

Regards

esratrams