Type 1 Lifters in Type 4 engine

Doug Sweetman Nil Bastardo Carborundum

2,128 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 22 Nov 2007, 3:17 pm

#621782

Hi all,

Long time no visit..... but I have a mate here at work who owns a 914 porsche and would like to install type 1 lifters into the Type 4 motor it is running.

Apparently a bush is required to fit the Type 1 lifters into the Type 4 block - would anyone know who might carry these in Australia or overseas ?

Appreciate your feedback, many thanks in advance.

Hope everyone is well and happy and enjoying their VW rides.

Cheers,

Doug

vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 22 Nov 2007, 4:39 pm

#621791

Why go to all that trouble and extra expense ????

dont know of anyone who has done this or stocks the bush

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bond Veteran Volks Folk

2,456 posts · joined Jul 2003 · 22 Nov 2007, 7:56 pm

#621818

rod penrose might have suitable lifters for you. unsure about the bushing though.

nick

dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 23 Nov 2007, 6:22 am

#621870

The bushings will most likely have to be made as a one-off.
This is due to normal lifter bore wear.

Aluminium bronze or 7075 aluminium would be my choice of material,
and have the lifter bores finished AFTER being fitted.

westi wrote:That's mad Alan.

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1,593 posts · joined Aug 2005 · 24 Nov 2007, 10:09 am

#622038

Unless your going to run a big cam with huge lift and duration it aint worth the time and money you also have to machine flat the lifter bores ala type 1 case. I just came back from Canada and visited Jake Raby, he has new tool steel lifters that will do the trick. He has them for type 4, type 1 and wasser engines. Using standard type 1 lifters you do need to bush the lifter bores, but he can get them made to use standard type 4 lifter with type 1 face on them, your looking at around $300 US for a set. Look at his site forums aircooled technology and it has more info than i have given, also the typefourum on shoptalk fourms a user type 4 unleashed also has thes unique lifters.

Damo.

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vw54 Administrator Always Waiting 4 Friday

16,723 posts · joined Aug 2002 · 24 Nov 2007, 10:24 am

#622040

i knoe the lifters n cams are soft and wear easy in the Type 4 engines but is there any other advantage ???

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dangerous 23 Windows of Awesome

5,901 posts · joined Jan 2005 · 24 Nov 2007, 5:56 pm

#622068

The larger head diameter allows for a faster lift rate on the lobe.

Scat used to sell a 'drop in' lifter for this purpose,
but not sure about their reliability under current lubrication availability.

Sounds like Damo is onto a good thing if that is your cup of tea (type 4s)

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Beetspeed Slammed & Awesome Dubber

75 posts · joined Nov 2004 · 25 Nov 2007, 7:11 am

#622113

www.ahnendorp.com in germany does this a lot. He also sells original Mahle type 1 lifters (about 130 euro a set iirc).
Personally I always use a light type 1 lifter with any cam I have ever used. Never had a flat cam.
At the moment, the light-weight (56,5 gram) tool steel type 1 lifters from Thorsten Pieper at about 250 euro a set are 'the thing' for me and all I use.

Regards,
Walter

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Doug Sweetman Nil Bastardo Carborundum

2,128 posts · joined Sep 2002 · 27 Nov 2007, 2:09 pm

#622508

I believe that my mate wants to do it to quieten his engine down a bit, in terms of valvetrain noise.... it has been suggested by PEter Arnoldi overe here in Perth. I dont know any more than that about it.

Many thanks for all of your responses !

Good to see the spirit is live and kicking here on Aussieveedubbers...

greedy53 Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,062 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 27 Nov 2007, 5:23 pm

#622529

go hydrolic lifters can geyt for t1 fix rattle prob

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greedy53 Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,062 posts · joined Mar 2006 · 27 Nov 2007, 5:24 pm

#622530

just had a thought what if i swap him my t3 caravel with really quiet lifters for his rattley bold 914 and i don't any money just to be a bloody nice bloke

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Craig Torrens 6 times Australian, 7 times State Hillclimb Class Champion

8,040 posts · joined Jan 2003 · 27 Nov 2007, 8:30 pm

#622566

vw54 wrote:i knoe the lifters n cams are soft and wear easy in the Type 4 engines ???

WTF........you've been listening to the wrong people.