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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#845977
donn wrote:THIS WAS A POST FROM JEFF A WHILE BACK
I was with NRMA (now IAG) for about 20 years, and when I eventually needed to make a good size claim on my bug, I had to battle them for about 5 months.

I have been with Shannons ever since, and made 1 good size claim with them - no problem at all.

Shannon's may be a little dearer (although not much), but at least I know if I do need to make a claim, I won't go through the agony I did with AIG. We have our Bora with them as well as the bug, and I would highly recommend them.

From your ole' mate Jeff

I'm about to reinsure/register, let us know how you get on Jeff.
A lot of you may be aware, I had just had my car repaired about 2 weeks before this after a bingle on the Gold Coast in the rain a few months ago, and Shannons had been great once again.

At the moment with this rollover claim, the towtruck mob also have a panel shop, and told Shannons it wasn't worth repairing (I don't think they like doing anything to any sort of older car - not very impessed with them), so Shannons were looking at getting an assessor to look at it at Gulgong.

I really want my panel shop in Port Macquarie to do the repairs, and after talking to them, then talking to Shannons, the bloke at Shannons was most helpfull in organising to allow me to get the car out and drive it to my panel shop for a proper quote, and giving me all the scenarios of what I could do, and what I could expect depending on how the quote compares to what the car is insured for.

Shannons also expedited payment to the tow mob so they would release the car to me last Friday. Unfortunately, it didn't get into their account by the time I got their on Friday, so they still wouldn't release the car to me. I will try next Friday.

I did, however, re-fit the broken tail light lens (enough for the drive home), started the car (started first kick), and a few other bits and pieces ready for the drive home next Friday.

I will keep you updated.
From your ole' mate Jeff

HappyDaze Superannuated

2,887 posts · joined Jun 2009 ·

#845992
Looks like Shannons are doing the 'right thing', Jeff. Let's hope they keep doing so, as insurance companies are not known for that, unfortunately. Keep us posted.

My cars [and house] are insured with Shannons, by the way.

Cheers, Greg
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donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#845994
Amazing, you can drive it home but they (the towies panel shop) consider it a wright off, beyond belief but I guess that's our throw away society at work.
I dream of a day when a chicken can cross a road without being asked for it's motive!

vlad01 Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber

4,270 posts · joined Jun 2010 ·

#846005
I am going to look at getting 3rd party from Shannon's as all the other insurances wont insure me coz my car has a few minor mods
and I am under 25. 👎

the car has no resell value but has some good unobtainium in it. So to me I don't care if it gets written off.
but I should really get my ass covered just in case I total someone else's car.

71 notchback,
Past owner of, 70 NB, 73 SB and 72 FB TLE

bajachris88 The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 6

6,661 posts · joined Apr 2005 ·

#846009
i'm going by vague memory but looked at insuring with shannons but they wouldn't take under 25's to insure my import for fire and theft. I dunno if thats changed teh last couple yrs.

just cars was different, but the owner of such (suncorp) has me worried...
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69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears. 👍
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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell

3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#846010
if they ride it off , you can no longer fix it later on .🥲
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Camo Custom Title Time!

1,936 posts · joined Oct 2007 ·

#846017
Ian, I was talking to the RTA the other day and you can make special application to have a car that is written off re assessed for repairs. It obviously costs and will stop the dodgy blokes as they will know who keeps applying for this. So will greatly reduce the number of repairable write offs.

Kev
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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#846019
The way the bloke at Shannons described it, with cars over 35 years old. they can class it as a repairable write off, and it is up to the owner to cancel the rego etc. This is what will happen if the quote is over the insured sum, and the policy will be paid out and cancelled.

Once I have repaired it, I can show them the car has been repaired (invoices, photos etc.), and then take out a new policy.
From your ole' mate Jeff

ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell

3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#846035
NSW has new rules and there is no longer repairable rite off .🥲

From 31 January 2011, all NSW vehicles notified to the Written-off Vehicle Register (WOVR) will be classified as
statutory (non-repairable) write-offs.
Vehicles classified as statutory write-offs will not be able to be registered. They can only be used for parts or scrap
metal.
The laws will apply to NSW light vehicles including trailers, caravans and motor bikes. There will be some limited
exemptions to the legislation.
Vehicles recorded as repairable write-offs before 31 January 2011 will continue to be classified as repairable on
the WOVR and will be permitted to be repaired and reregistered according to current RTA business rules for a
period of six months.

There will be some limited
exemptions to the legislation. maybe old cars ok, it say they have to go to the pits thats $440 for that rta check over alone.
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ancientbugger Custom Title Time!

1,986 posts · joined Mar 2004 ·

#846036
I have all my cars insured with Shannons and bajachris88 my 19 year old son has his 68 baja insured with them as well seperately from my own cars.

donn Wolfsburg Elder

3,515 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#846156
How can the car be a wright off it's able to be legally driven on the road as Jeff is suggesting, just because the insurer deems it to be not financialy viable for them to pay to repair it does not mean it can't be repaired safely, surely the insurer can pay out the policy without registering the vehicle as written off on the RTA records. Seems like a few calls to Shanons is required, it's all well and good for them to say they will insure it again but if you can't register it again then that means diddley squat, sounds like you would be better of not having the car comprehensively insured in some cases or at least not claiming, then there would be no insurance company to place it on the RTA written off register.
I dream of a day when a chicken can cross a road without being asked for it's motive!

beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#856806
OK, an update of where my bug is up to.

The cost to repair my bug (properly) is more than it was insured for (it was insured for value, not cost to repair - that was all my wife would let me do - pretty sure that will change now :-)), so Shannons have paid out the policy, but because I had elected to be able to keep the car, I am now getting it repaired.

Because the car is over 15 years old, it can be repaired after being paid out. Shannons don't notify the RTA - that is up to me if I want to, but there is less structural work being done than the front end replacement I had done in Parkes, and it didn't affect rego, so I won't be doing that. Shannons said they will re-insure it once it is completly repaired. They said I will probably need to send them photos, and maybe a declaration from the repairer. They didn't mention a blue slip or anything though.

My repairer (Supalook smash repairs in Port Macquarie) was slow getting started (he had it dismantled enough to show me damage areas - mainly in the roof rails from the roof racks), mainly because he wanted to show me what he wanted to do before he started. This was slow because as I am working away, I am only home some weekends.

The first weekend I was home, I went to his shop to look at my car, I couldn't round him up - he was at South West Rocks with his son getting parts for his son's type 3 - not a bad excuse. They are a VW family - have had quite a few, currently the type 3, an L bug, and a Passat.

Anyway, it is underway - won't be ready for Sawtell unfortunately, so here are some photos. Adam and his team ure perfectionists, so they are going further than I would have worried about. They are not happy with some of the existing paintwork so are stripping off any areas of that that they are not happy with.

They work on a lot of cool cars. As well as general insurance work, they do all sorts of restorations. Last week there was a 56 Porsche body parked next to my bug, and this week the other cars in the main workshop were a Passat, a BMW, a Triumph, a top of the line Jag, a Holden, and a Toyota.

Here are some photos of the current state of my bug.










I will keep you updated as it progresses.
From your ole' mate Jeff

SebastienPeek Custom Title Time!

1,657 posts · joined May 2011 ·

#856811
Jeff!

So sorry to hear what happened mate, glad to see it making a come back however!

By the way, those centre caps, they're awesome!
The sold one, '73 VW 1303 - Zelda
The project, '74 VW 1303 - Gretl

beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#856826
SebastienPeek wrote:Jeff!
By the way, those centre caps, they're awesome!
They are the shorter ones made for the 'Performance' wheels. As far as I know, they are made in SA. They also make longer ones, which is what I used to run, but they got bumped off to easy, and I used to lose nearly 1 per year.

I have taken the 'Performance' sticker off them and put VW stickers on them though.

Here are some photos of the longer ones.


From your ole' mate Jeff

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#856848
Looks like a big job after all Jeff..

Good to see that You have a great painter,, but bad luck on the waiting part... lol

so, Have You ordered the HUGE alloy bullbar Yet... lol..

I had a steel bullbar made for My 71 super back in the 70s...
and never tried it out on a real kangaroo... lol

My Wife had to jam on the brakes last week when going to Newcastle when a Very LARGE grey Kangaroo hopped across the road... must have been 7 ft tall...
even higher when He jumped 😂
😂

seeing they can jump so high...
why don't they just jump over cars... 😂

anyway good to see it will back on the road soon...

LEE

PS: Now I can see what caused the accident Jeff...
Your engine has two carburetors instead of one... 😂
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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#856873
68AutoBug wrote:so, Have You ordered the HUGE alloy bullbar Yet... lol..

I had a steel bullbar made for My 71 super back in the 70s...
and never tried it out on a real kangaroo... lol

PS: Now I can see what caused the accident Jeff...
Your engine has two carburetors instead of one... 😂
If it is for roo's , I think it is called a roo bar. A bull bar is what they use in the city - that is all it is for then (bullshit to use the full word). lol

I used to have a steel roo bar years ago on one of my '69s, but haven't had one for years, and wasn't really planning to.

Do you think the extra Carby it making the car top heavy? :-)
From your ole' mate Jeff

amazeer Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,029 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#856874
beetleboyjeff wrote:Do you think the extra Carby it making the car top heavy? :-)
Absolutely You raised the roll centre 2.7mm. Its not just extra weight either, you've moved it away from the centreline too!

beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#856879
Yeah but..... yeah but........ yeah but.........

The twins are both lower than a single, and when you move them both out evenly each side of the centreline, it makes it harder to spin (roll). Try spinning on a swing - put your arms and legs out - spin slowly. Pull your arms and legs in - spin quickly.

Same happens on sailing skiffs, especially going downwind - have the skipper and crew out on opposite sides makes the boat much more stable than both in the centre line.

Here endeth the lesson. :-)
From your ole' mate Jeff

amazeer Bishop of Volkswagenism

3,029 posts · joined Nov 2005 ·

#856882
damn. cant see anything with this dunce hat covering my eyes.

tweety Wolfsburg Wizard

460 posts · joined Feb 2011 ·

#857220
In relation to the original topic "dodge a roo or hit it"

Best to make strategies to avoid them in the first place and I speak from experience.

A former security guard at Puckapunyal Army base that is about 250 square kms big. in the middle of the night roos are everywhere. We had 4X4 tray utes on the dirt roads. Bull bars and radio contact. After a few years since privatisation began in 1994 we learned valuable lessons about the roo.

We learned that driving at more than 85kph often ensured that you would collide with the animal as you had not enough time to react. There was the reactive speed of the roo as well. Headlights on high beam with spotties are great in the bush but they do scare the roo and it hops- in any direction. If it hops towards your path and you are doing 100kph then you will hit it.

Fences are an issue also. I hit a roo 100 metres from my security post. It was caught between two fences with no where to go. Fences can be good an bad.

Shoo-roos. I have one. It came off a car a few years ago when I left Pucka workplace. They work. But some dont believe that- that's ok I know they do. For those unaware they are a device that emits such a high pitched sound that humans cant hear it. Animals can, including birds. Bird strikes have been in the hundreds for me as I drove around the state of Vic and NSW. Then vertually none with the Shoo-roo. But some advice here too....they are not a license for more speed in a roo infested area- why? because they also, like headlights, scare the animal resulting in movement at times across your path. If the roo is say 50 metres from the road it is likely to hop away from your path. If it is near the roadside its anyones guess. So the Shoo-roo is an effective device, a device that results in roo movement that is good because it raises the chance of it coming into your sight. The negative? Apart from the $500 pricetag plus simple installation (3 wires) they can lead the driver into a false sense of safety. If you buy one I'd suggest that you accept that the roo being startled by a shoo-roo is going to behave in a similar manner to being startled by a high beam headlight. So the lower speed eg under 85kph applies. The shoo-roo assists you though.

Many people not experienced with roos dont realise that they often hop straight into the side of your vehicle. There is not much chance seeing them prior to this occuring. The only advice I've got here is the shoo-roo can help and extra lights that shine wide of the vehicle. My trike has two spot lights that are pointed outwards and even though I give this advice, on the way home one late night a mature joey nearly hopped onto my wife's lap in the rear seat- I was totally unaware.

Finally in my view Wombats are just as dangerous. I ran over one in a vintage Zephyr and it bent my 3" tubular cross member then as it wnet under the diff it caused the rear of the car to get airborne about 50mm. I stopped to move the carcas and it was walking away albeit a little sore no doubt. But it was alive! The buggers are tough and slow. Unlike the agile roo if a wobat suddenly was there I'd try to swerve a little to miss it. Shoo-roos dont have any effect on Wombats!

Glad you are ok Jeff.
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#857243
I had a mate that totaled his Audi 5+5 in a high speed impact with a Wombat on the Hey Plains. Pushed the headrests into the roof!!
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SebastienPeek Custom Title Time!

1,657 posts · joined May 2011 ·

#857256
I've been in a car that has connected with a Wombat. Definitely just as bad as hitting a brick wall, man they are massive animals!

Was in a TC Cortina, the car definitely was worse off, hit a wombat hole afterwards too...
The sold one, '73 VW 1303 - Zelda
The project, '74 VW 1303 - Gretl

beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#858151
Bug is getting close to being repaired, but didn't make it for Sawtell. :-(

Here is the current progress of the body in the prep booth, and the guards, bonnet, etc. in the spray booth - hope to have it back for next weekend.


From your ole' mate Jeff

beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#859056
Nope, still not quite ready. Adam is getting me a windscreen with a tinted band, and it won't be in untill Tuesday, so still waiting. :-(

Anyway, here are photos of the current progress.










Man, this is like extracting teeth.

I only hope all this 'foreplay' will be worth it. lol
From your ole' mate Jeff

68AutoBug Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138\% - YIKES --

11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#859084
YIKES

LOOKS like a new one Jeff....

no dirt roads for this baby...


LEE

PS: You had better put about 6 of those kangaroo whistles under the front bumper... lol
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---

Bizarre Moderator The artist formerly known as blue74l

12,789 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#859086
love the colour 🤓

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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#859112
Bloody hell Lee, you sound like my wife.
From your ole' mate Jeff

OldTimer Seriously Crusin Dubber

199 posts · joined May 2009 ·

#859573
Hi Jeff mate,

Looks like it's coming along nicely, though I did spot one problem that might be a showstopper.
There's a little bit of dust on the donk, so I recommend that you immediately send it me and get another. 😀

Glad to see you were alright after 'the mishap', and the car is getting a new lease of life.

Now for some Roo seat covers . . .

Old Timer
air is cool, but air-cooled is cooler!
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beetleboyjeff Custom Title Time!

1,790 posts · joined Feb 2009 ·

#859603
OldTimer wrote:Now for some Roo seat covers . . .

Old Timer
Yeah, they would be good for 'hopping' in and out. lol
From your ole' mate Jeff