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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#902040
Hi All

See below a picture of my pulley; I'm not sure what the timing marks are, as all my manuals (including the original owners manual!) and on-line review are saying that it's a 2 mark pulley with 7.5 & 10 BTDC marked on.

But what's throwing me is the dimple on the outer rim; which lines up with the left hand notch & this dimple also lines up 180 degrees with the other timing mark.

I've normally set my timing on the left mark (as per the books) but if the left mark is infact TDC (not 7.5 BTDC) then what is the right hand one?

The engine is a 1300 F series motor - from an Aussie '67 Deluxe.



Does anyone else out there have this pulley? I've not been able to find a picutre of a similar one online (the samba, shoptalk, and here).

Cheers

Shaun
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1967 1300 Deluxe
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ian.mezz I never said, I could write or spell

3,913 posts · joined Sep 2004 ·

#902044
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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#902054
Yeah it's 7.5 and 10
.....another 30mm around the circumference from the 10' mark will give you the point for 30 degrees ( use one of those student flexible rulers)

The other one, pretend it's not there

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#902061
Thanks Daimo;
I can dial in the 019 Dizzy now with some certainty!
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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#902062
Cool yeah, ya vids of the lil 1300cc are pretty cool

I would dial in 30 degrees total and wherever idles sits, let it be..... Even 32' total if it has a flat spot and run 98 octane

You heading to the nationals?

Joel Now containing 100\% E-Wang

9,368 posts · joined Feb 2006 ·

#902071
sander288 wrote:But what's throwing me is the dimple on the outer rim; which lines up with the left hand notch & this dimple also lines up 180 degrees with the other timing mark.
THe big dimple marks on the outer rim are always TDC.

If the left notch lines up with it then the right will be either 5 or 7.5, too close to TDC to be 7.5

by 180degrees do you mean there is another mark at the bottom of the pulley when those ones are lined up?

if so some one has put that there for adjusting the valves, I used to do the same with stock pulleys.

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#902104
Daimo,

I won't be at the nationals, as much as I want to be! My brother has decided he wants his wedding that weekend 😬

Joel,

180 degrees around the pulley from the dimple is a notch on the inside of the pulley which is directly opposite the left hand notch and dimple.
Yeah it looks like an add on from someone else, as I can't find any documentation that says my pulley had a TDC mark; and it appears the valves are adjusted off the 7.5deg mark (left notch) all my manuals are backing this up (bentley & VW circa '67)
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1967 1300 Deluxe
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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#902110
Has anyone used a advance function timing light?

I used mine for the first time today I set it to 29 degrees and I rev'd it up to 3200+rpm and then moved the dizzy so my mark I made at 29.5 lined up with the case; is this correct? It ran real good but I wasn't sure if it was the right way of doing it...

I'm thinking if I dial it in at 10 deg (right mark) and then adjust the light to 29 deg or 30 deg and then rev it to 3200 and move it so it's back on the 10 mark it will be timed correctly.

Anyones thoughts?

It may be easier to adjust it to TDC but seeing as there isn't a mark it's a bit harder

My Bosch 019 isn't as shite as the chinese 009's floating around so it's guaranteed to stop advancing after 17 deg and the dwell angle on the NOS points is bang on at 50

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1967 1300 Deluxe
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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#902119
Yeah first senario sounds right

You retard the light/strobe against firing so the tdc mark then shows at the timing marker/case split as your selected setting..... So you will need to take into account those 7.5 or 10 marks to use them


Remember I'm a dumbarse tho 🙂

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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#902124
I think your over complicating your new timing light. Either advance the light to 30*, rev it to 3000+ and check with light, you should set to zero.... OR, leave your light at zero, rev up to 3000+ and set to your calculated notch on the pulley that you measured to 30* (about an inch to the right of the two marks pictured).

Your pulley has 7.5 and 10* notches. The shallow groove on the outer edge is bogus so too will the one 180* around, someone f'd up putting on two TDC marks for valve adjusting.
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Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#902126
Nah, not how you use an advance light sorry Shaun & Damo - basically the advance setting on the light "retards" the light by the amount, so if you're still using a +29 mark then you've effectively got double the advance.

The whole idea of an advance light is so you don't need so many marks on the pulley - you can just use the TDC mark to dial in whatever timing you want.

To do that, correct way of using 'em is to:
- set the light to the max advance you want (e.g. 30)
- rev the engine to 3000 to make sure it's at max advance
- adjust the dizzy so when the light fires the TDC mark is lined up with the case.

So if you were going to use your 10 deg BTDC mark, you'd set the timing light to 20 deg... TDC + 30 = 30, and 10 + 20 = 30.

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Clear as mud ???

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Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#902129
Matty has it right (and beat me by about 10 seconds it seems)

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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#902134
Cheers Dave.......gotta be quick mate 🙂
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sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#902147
woo hoo!

result!

Cheers fellas, it's clear as mud but it makes sense!!

I'll adjust it tomorrow and see how I go, the instructions that came with the light and youtube were hopeless!!!

Daimo; we're both dumbasses!

Cheers

Shaun
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1967 1300 Deluxe
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hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#902159
Yeah head, English language and text got all messed up there 🙂

Ha! Now Let's exPlain how to mark ACTUAL tdc on a pulley to really mess this up

I'm an advanced retard

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#902279
Timed and running sweet!

Managed to get it at 29.5 degrees by advancing 22 on the light and timing to the left notch as always

Thanks for the help guys; this forum never ceases to impress me 😉👍
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11,654 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#902296
YIKES

I'm glad I don't have one of those timing lights... lol

I don't need to know that 20+10=30 etc... lol

old timing light and degree'd pulleys are great... lol

Good to see that You got 29.5 BTDC OK..

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Sides Veteran Volks Folk

2,220 posts · joined May 2007 ·

#902427
Good to hear you got it sorted Shaun !!!

I dunno with you sometimes Lee... you've got LED's most everywhere in your bug, but an advance timing light is too much technology for ya ???

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1303Steve Scirocco Rare

8,650 posts · joined Aug 2002 ·

#902444
Hi

Your lucky that you still have stock pulley in a way, the degreed pulleys are useful but I found that the one on my sons bug was 6 degrees out, most likely a combination of a Chinese crank and the degreed pulley.

Steve

hellbugged 48's and straight cuts

5,080 posts · joined Apr 2003 ·

#902449
Yep yep steve they need checking

sander288 "Bolt-on Master"

1,404 posts · joined Aug 2008 ·

#902459
wow, 6 degrees is a long way out!

How do the berg pulleys fair daimo?
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psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#904140
Question - if the dizzy only has a max advance of 17 degrees then at 3000+ rpm shouldn't the engine be timed to 7.5+17=24.5?

I thought the 30 degrees was to take into account the poor quality of the newer 009's.

Any ideas chaps?
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matberry Moderator Go hard or go home

8,114 posts · joined Mar 2006 ·

#904143
No, tune for total advance, I shoot for 32-34 depending on the engine. It's the initial that will change depending on the distributer
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psimitar Son of Jim - Creator of Good

2,506 posts · joined Jan 2009 ·

#904145
Yar, just did a bit of reading on that. Funny that the idle advance will be 12 degrees on that dizzy compared to 8-10 for later 009's.

Glad I have my vac advance really cos I sure don't miss my German 009 😀
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