I have a wheel, rim off an old beetle I think. But does not have any hub cap clips, does not look like it ever did.....
Photo attached
About 4" wide 15"
Thanks.....
Terry
I don't know but am willing to have a guess. It has the lug to take the type 3 hubcap so my guess would be the sport version of the type 3, the type 34.
Cheers Dave
novasmic wrote:I have a wheel, rim off an old beetle I think. But does not have any hub cap clips, does not look like it ever did.....
Photo attached
About 4" wide 15"
Thanks.....
Terry
No Clips then I think NOT VW or early Holden or chev etc..
New Holland machinery [Hay Rakes 55-56- Super 56] had wheels like that usually painted red or yellow..
[made in USA from about late 50s early 60s??>> on]
they just bolted to a flat hub...
I don't think the hole spacing was the same as VW??
unless a coincidence??
Lee
1969 type 3 hubcaps [around 1969 model] were the same as German 1967 beetle hubcaps .. [one year only model]
they looked like later hubcaps but had clips
they usually had full wheel trims held on by the hubcaps on the type 3s..
LEE
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Yep, early type 3 by the looks of the hub cap lugs. Slotted and offset details I'm not sure about, but to confirm VW, it should have the logo and date stamps.
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OK
after studying the photo again closely...
No they aren't the new holland wheels.. too much shape to the wheels they were just flat...
and it looks like small pins sticking up..
so, maybe early chev or ford etc which did have very large hubcaps
very old... early holdens used clips I think..?
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
Hi Matt
I don't think early type 3's had slotted wheels??
and I do think they had wheels the same as beetles with clips but slightly wider rims..?
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
Thanks for your help so far, just having another look now. Found this marking 4J x15
Image attached
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Beetle (around 1967) not Australiia.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
Its a 66-67 Euro and US beetle wheel
Thanks guys......
novasmic wrote:Image
Yes
Better pic showing the lugs to hold the odd type 3 hub caps on
I thought they used clips as I've never actually seen a wheel with the hubcap off...
the flat type 3 and German US 67 Beetle hub caps..
No Pins like I thought before.. maybe flies.. lol
Lee
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
its NOT a beetle wheel, they had 5 spring clips riveted between the wheel nut holes, these sprig clips held the hub cap on.
i think its an early Ford prefect / popular or Anglia rim, those 3 lugs pointing in to the center of the rim, deff not VW.
3 1959 cadillacs
1 musso
2 early notchbacks
2 split kombis
2 split panels
1 split ute
1 low light panel
1 ex-pmg bay
1 country buggy
1 beetle ute
1 14" syncro caravelle
1 16" syncro doka
1 golf cabrio
1 vw camper trailer
2 3meter bombs
Jon, I'm not an expert on this, but I think that there was a changover model that was 5 stud and used late model hub caps.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
vwjon wrote:its NOT a beetle wheel, they had 5 spring clips riveted between the wheel nut holes, these sprig clips held the hub cap on.
You're thinking of Aussie wheels.
The Euro/US ones like these dont have clips, they use late beetle hubcaps with a different lip to hold them on.
I'm also thinking maybe NOT VW
I'm sure they would have MORE than three locating nipples..
and they are always stamped VW on VW wheels..
Yes.. maybe Ford Anglia and Prefect wheel..
the in between hubcaps used on type 3s here about 1969
and USA German made beetles..
looked like late hubcaps but the rim of the hub caps went under like the early hubcaps..
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
Just looked at a VW type 3 hubcap on website
they are domed in the centre
the VW centre is actually raised up.. not flat like late ones...
I keep noticing them at My Sons place...
but NOT domed like early ones. so in between..
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
Euro bugs in "1966 only" came with wide 5 and flat caps, i think these were type three wheels with a different off-set to clear the rear axle nut. the '66 bug also came with the pointy engine lid with the point flattened off.
the red bug pictured above look like porsche rims, long flat oval and no hub caps (hence no clips)
the rim in question has 3 lugs pressed from the hub of the wheel, VW didn't do this they pressed the whole of the hub. again see early type3 wheels with flat cap.
the other common wide 5 was the early ford pop's and anglias, and these rims are often used by rat-rodders for a "different" look.
Get the whole rim blasted and show us a makers mark!!
3 1959 cadillacs
1 musso
2 early notchbacks
2 split kombis
2 split panels
1 split ute
1 low light panel
1 ex-pmg bay
1 country buggy
1 beetle ute
1 14" syncro caravelle
1 16" syncro doka
1 golf cabrio
1 vw camper trailer
2 3meter bombs
I will be home in an hr, I will hit it with the wire buff and let you know what I find.
Lol... I dint think it would be this much of a challenge
vwjon wrote:the rim in question has 3 lugs pressed from the hub of the wheel, VW didn't do this they pressed the whole of the hub. again see early type3 wheels with flat cap.
Is that so?
How many 66-67 Beetle rims like this do you wanna see before you believe me?
😉
There are 1000s of 66 and 67 Beetles out there with these types of rims.
We just didnt get them in Aus so not many people knwo about them.
Btw, most Prefect and anglia wheels are 16" and have a totatlly different slot pattern, as do 356 Porsche rims.
Unmolested 67 bug with
original wheels
Same bug...
Ok, let's put this one to bed....thanks Joel
As I have said many times before...
Is there anything You don't know about VWs Joel... lol
and those wheels are rare in Australia
Never ever seen one.. but have seen the caps..
are the 69 type 3 hub caps same as the ones that fit these 67 beetle wheels?
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
Type 3s went 4 stud in 68, same as bug rims but just wider and different offset.
The earlier ones had the flat hubcaps like these rims take, dont know that we ever got the slotted wheels here though, pretty sure early type 3s had solid wheels, but I'm not good with early type 3 stuff and most had beauty rings so you couldnt tell.
Yes, all the 69 approx fastbacks etc all had those stainless steel beauty rings so I'm guessing they may have still had the older type wheels??
but didn't some of those beauty rings have slots in them to match the slotted wheels??? type 3's maybe overseas??
I don't know much about them either apart from having a 71 variant for many years in the 70's
cheers
LEE
- Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY---
And the hub cap is like an intermediate version, yet I had a US car come through with early caps fitted to these, not right but they fitted. Definately VW, just I had forgotten type 1 '66-67 US/Euro used them, I agree the slots make it type 1. Aussie made wheels of that era will have kangaroo logos I'd expect.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
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And the hub cap is like an intermediate version, yet I had a US car come through with early caps fitted to these, not right but they fitted. Definately VW, just I had forgotten type 1 '66-67 US/Euro used them, I agree the slots make it type 1. Aussie made wheels of that era will have kangaroo logos I'd expect.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE
Joel wrote:How many 66-67 Beetle rims like this do you wanna see before you believe me? 😉
There are 1000s of 66 and 67 Beetles out there with these types of rims.
Are you really, really sure Joel. or are you just guessing?
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!😂
I just took a totally wild guess and made that statement for shits and giggles......
Yes I know it for sure.
You left out the important next line of my quote where I mentioned that it was on overseas markets though I see.
Spend enough time helping out the overseas vw community and you start finding out just how different the same cars can be in different countries.
I think AA003 needed the sarcasm font .....
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