Ok ive just bought a 72 notch, dont even have it yet. Its coming up from sydney. And ive been reading here and on shop talk for a while. Sounds like if your serious about reliable big power you need a shit load of cash (relative) and a g50 box.

I spose i have a few questions.

Firstly the g50 box. Are they all the same ratio's
rDont realy need one that does 190mph !

THe Notchback



Which would be the better daily driver h6, ej20t, ej25t.
Turbo lag? To much/not enough Power?

Are there any advantages in the Notch of having a flat motor over a v6 being that it could be messy anyway.Thats going on one ej20t notch conversion pic i saw.Obviously there are plenty of cheaper v6's around.

I might just go through with it in some form or another. Its been a few years since ive owned a type 3 so i'll see how hard the bug bites this time around. If i do decide it will be soon. This is the kind of car Noddy would drive. Mabe Noddy's a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Thanks All
Rich



Kuranda QLD

[ Edited on 14-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]

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Originally posted by riverrat13 Ok ive just bought a 72 notch, dont even have it yet. Its coming up from sydney. And ive been reading here and on shop talk for a while. Sounds like if your serious about reliable big power you need a shit load of cash (relative) and a g50 box. some say this I spose i have a few questions. Firstly the g50 box. Are they all the same ratio's have a look on the web at the part numbers heap of info out there CheerDont realy need one that does 190mph ! why I do ! THe Notchback Which would be the better daily driver h6 very good motor , I have one ej20t yes best bang for your $ ej25t yes with a VF34 this would be a killa have done one over here MONSTER Turbo lag all have To much/not enough Power? never enough power Are there any advantages in the Notch of having a flat motor over a v6 being that it could be messy anyway. Thats going on one ej20t notch conversion pic i saw. Obviously there are plenty of cheaper v6's around. get a honda some go backwards I might just go through with it in some form or another. Its been a few years since ive owned a type 3 so i'll see how hard the bug bites this time around. If i do decide it will be soon. This is the kind of car Noddy would drive. Mabe Noddy's a wolf in sheeps clothing MMM a good quote from a mate of mine Best arround is Subaru IMO Its turbo time , seagull Thanks All Rich Kuranda QLD

g50 dicussion links

http://www.rennsportsystems.com/1-d.html 

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=25930 

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=17&f=20&t=82851 

looks like there are plenty of options

www.subynotch.com

ejs are nice.

having just clocked 6500kms in ej20t powered 68 squareback as a work car, I would seriously think about doing this conversion , it added about 100kg to overall weight of the car and cost me about 6500 to do the conversion including engineering.

Klaus it sounds good along with the price. How does it drive. What gear box are you running. Any anoying turbo lag?. Hows the sound? Has it got enough grunt 4 you? What did you get enginered?

hehe got to ask these questions

Im kinda leaning towards the EZ30r being that its probably more the refined motor, beter for every day use. What do you rekon?

Still waiting on her to arive

Thanks for the input everyone

please all give YOUR opinion


THanks Rich

The H6 motor would be a big deal for little gain .I have a H6 & there is nothing ( no power above 4500rpm then you have every thing on your plate in one hit .If the car was not 4x4 it would not stay on the road .

you would be better with a 2.5 motor from a bug eye the other 2.5 ltrs are still having issues with the head gaskets .

The 2.5 ltr pull like a 16 year old boy on heat !

Go & drive a 2.5 ltr subaru manual with a 4.444 gear box & report back here .
at the same time drive a H6 & do the same there only autos so drive it through the gears

I love all the power in the world * but * you can not over look the 2.5 ltr quad cam for a every day driver .

If you dont want the turbo lag , dont get a big turbo ! The VF10 comes on around 2200rpm & the TDO4 lower 2000 there abouts .

A stock WRX JDM auto has a TD04 but with a 4.111 drive line & the hatch back JDM manual has a TD04 ( bigger car ) still with a 4.111 drive

WRX auto turbo motors are around $2300.00 with loom & ecu .


klaus , did you take the V foce guys for a spin ? did hear some storys going around in the west mate .

seagull

if I may make a suggestion...and it depends what your engineer says, but I did some maths last year and the 4l lexus V8 should be legal in a late type 3.

the new higher capacity to weight limit (now national) makes it ok. it would be almost cheaper and smoother than either an EJ20t or an H6, and a heap stronger motor. The 3.8 holden motor and the 380 mitsu motor are also both legal. the question is always gearbox though. but then if you are heading towards a g50 with tall gearing, a torquey V8 is going to be great behind it anyway. the only drama will be weight distribution, but then you can always move the drive train forward a few inches and shift the battery and a few other things into the front of the car.
I'm trying to con a mate of mine to go the holden V6 in his late notch, should be tops if he stops stalling and does it.

Hi

I have a JDM G50 for my bug, its the same box that the VWRX runs. The ratios aren't that bad, I did this chart to compare stock 1303 (L bug) ratios and the G50 at 6000 rpm shift point with a 25.315 inch tyre (235/45x17).

A modified stock VW box will live with higher output motor, it all depends on the nut behind the wheel.

Pete, are the new laws in yet? I cant find any reference to them on the NSW RTA site.

Steve

mmmm, they came out last year, so I can't see why not. I've notive the RTA tends to leave lots of useful things off the site. either that, or they are buried in bulletins and you can't find them easily. I'll have to ask my mate the engineer.

THanks for the input fellas, keep it coming!

V8 would be insane, I should check the dimentions although like you said the weight and distribution......... , Wouldn't say it's overkill though. It would be good for towing and blowing away most things.

Steve they seem good ratios.


looks like at the moment the ej25t is the most sensible option for the notch. Its tried and tested as they say and as you say Seagull.

I've got a lot of home work to do on this now but im gonna ask some anoying questions anyway

Firstly which ej25t? where can i get one? Should i build my own from an n.a. short block ?

What do i need to mate the motor and g50box? Anyone got one 4 sale?

What other questions should i be asking?

My budget is capable but no not exbendible.

Im in the process of attaining metal fab tools, not purely for the notch alone but other aswell. That will help.

Dadanaaaa!

RIch

[ Edited on 14-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]

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Originally posted by riverrat13 THanks for the input fellas, keep it coming! V8 would be insane, I should check the dimentions although like you said the weight and distribution......... , Wouldn't say it's overkill though. It would be good for towing and blowing away most things. Steve they seem good ratios. looks like at the moment the ej25t is the most sensible option for the notch. Its tried and tested as they say and as you say Seagull. EJ20 G ( 2ltr turbo ) not a 2.5 ltr ! having just fit one $$$$$$$$$$$$ you need that many $ for the motor & ecu lines run on.... I've got a lot of home work to do on this now but im gonna ask some anoying questions anyway Firstly which ej25t? where can i get one? Should i build my own from an n.a. short block ? What do i need to mate the motor and g50box? Anyone got one 4 sale? $5500.00 > $6500.00 What other questions should i be asking? 0407074141 give me a call after 6pm perth times Seagull My budget is capable but no not exbendible. Im in the process of attaining metal fab tools, not purely for the notch alone but other aswell. That will help. Dadanaaaa! RIch [ Edited on 14-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]

I was saying 2.5 ltr n/a not a turbo 2.5 G ( turbo ) for your aplication

Seagull I'm meang the ej25t motor itself is tried and tested for power not the conversion itself. And your right you didnt recomend the turbo. I do talk shit sometimes. THe computer screen does things to my brain. I'll give you a call mate. Guess i could start off n.a. and go from there but hmmm. The 2.5 is a big can of worms in itself. Just been reading a few forums and they're getting seriously BIG numbers from the 2.5 turbo's.

Rich

the 2.5litre turbo would cost significantly more to purchase than the 2litre turbo which is why the 2litre turbo is such a good base.

can still get large power from a 2litre turbo....300rwhp not enough for ya? hahahah

Anthony

Hi Pete

I spent about 1/2 hour searching the RTA website all I found where the old regs, maybe they don't want to tell anyone about them. From memory the new wheel size limitations sucked.

Steve

Anthony 300whp is nothing mate!

WhooooWhaaaaaaHaahaahaahaaa!


Just kiddin but the low down torque of the 2.5 may be the better every day driver depending on how you set it up. Theres tons of information on the n.a.'s and ej25t's ive just got to sift through it all but please keep all your opinions comin

THere should be another thread "ej20t vs ej22t vs ej25t vs ez30r vs ej20,22,25 n.a."

cheers

Rich

[ Edited on 14-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]

Ok
Ej20G , easy to get parts & there is a lot around cost me 2K

Ej22 with wrx heads I made it a closed deck cost me 6k

Ej25 with wrx heads left it open deck cost me 8K

Ez 30 or 33svx turbo seen guys costs above 30K & still going

There is a lot of info here Rich the search button top left will help you .Please just take some time to look through the files its a good read .

Athony were are you at with the bug ?

seagull

how much a the lexus V8 seagull? Weren't they selling for like 2k as a front cut?

yeah they arent too expensive but they are very wide motors apparently...would have a tough time fitting one i think.

If you trim out the rear floor, there's plenty of room in the back of notch. You need to trim out the floor for a Subie anyway don't you?

toyotas are $1200.00 !

registration issues?

4Litre?

although im not sure on the weight of a notch.

wow..if thats the case...GO FOR IT...excellent engines..huge potential...and they rev freely...mmmm

definatley my favourite v8 out there

I'm interested in how type threes will perform with all this power . How much is to much.Theyre certantly light up front. V8 would be alittle heavy wouldn't it? or is it all in how you set the car up?

sti ej257 blocks brand new $3900 and to finnish it probably ten.

Havent sourced g50 yet

http://www.dotars.gov.au/roads/motor/design/adr_online.aspx 

those 1uzfe's are all alloy blocks anyway arent they?

fairly light for what they are

Takhoal nice link mate.

Like the idea of fibreglass fenders on the rear, especially if theyre wider, allowing a wider track.Dunno if thats leagl. The front would be a must aswell. I've been thinking there are a bolt on wheel arches like the torana slr5000, land rover defender, others?

But seriously a 2.5 sti block has got way enough power potential mabe not as smooth and predictable as a six or eight ,It would Retainin use of the boot, have less weight keeping the car more nimble.

How do you guy's rekon the notch would go as a semi off road orientated kit, with the flared guards i mentioned alowing for bigger fatter 4x4 tyres, bull bar, side steps, spotlights and because of the weight of the bullbar why NOT? slap in the 1uzfe for good measure. Perfect balance! I do live on a dirt road and my cars are always muddy!

The confusion persits but Confucious say....... Confusion, Confer and yea shall Concive.
SHUT UP

Your all brilliant

Rich

[ Edited on 16-2-2007 by riverrat13 ]