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 Lucky Phil
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| posted on December 17th, 2013 at 06:58 PM |
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Rear Engine Oil Seal
Tried to fit a new rear engine oil seal tonight. What a fight.
Finally got it in, and was contemplating the few dents, realising it was going to be done again, when the seal popped out on it's own.
WTF???
Never seen that one before.
Anyone else seen it happen?
I had used permatex 3D as recommended by many.
I think that contributed to the problem.
But if it's gonna pop out on it's own, how in the hell is it going to stay put when running?
Any tips?
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| posted on December 17th, 2013 at 07:03 PM |
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yep put in dry and use a tool if you have one lines it up square
use some sealer after its in place just as a precaution around the outer joint face
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| posted on December 17th, 2013 at 07:14 PM |
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I can borrow a tool, that was my next step.
Installing dry makes sense after my last experience.
I had considered using a setting sealer and leaving the installation tool in overnight to stop it popping out.
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| posted on December 17th, 2013 at 07:29 PM |
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a thin smear of oil on the outer seal edge is good enough just to help it slide into place
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| posted on December 17th, 2013 at 07:34 PM |
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Makes sense.
Thanks for the tips.
I will give it a go as you suggest.
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| posted on December 17th, 2013 at 09:45 PM |
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What engine? Type 1 or 4? Dave
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| posted on December 18th, 2013 at 08:36 AM |
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You mean the front oil seal Phil..
Beetles don't have a rear oil seal..
I haven't heard of that happening.. and have read a lot about VWs all over the world..
Sounds like the hole is too small... only reason it would pop out...
actually it doesn't come to mind of any seal popping out??
but NOT good...
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| posted on December 18th, 2013 at 10:00 AM |
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I never heard that either on any car engine for the fact.
Lee, the engine is still forward, just the car is back to front 
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| posted on December 19th, 2013 at 12:28 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
You mean the front oil seal Phil..
Beetles don't have a rear oil seal..
I haven't heard of that happening.. and have read a lot about VWs all over the world..
Sounds like the hole is too small... only reason it would pop out...
actually it doesn't come to mind of any seal popping out??
but NOT good...
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Thanks Lee. Point taken.
Actually in my experience, the seal at the rear of the crankshaft will always be referred to as the Rear Main Oil Seal, regardless of engine
orientation.
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| posted on December 19th, 2013 at 12:40 PM |
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It may be shaping up into a brand issue.
The seal I tried fitting is a DPH brand.
This was the brand of choice by the supplier (who distained Elring, by the way).
Mind you, we wrecked a couple of DPH brand seals fitting them to the Club Kombi on Saturday, too.
The engine got the blame for that at the time.
Now I am trying to source an Elring brand to see if I have better luck.
BTW this was the brand I removed initially.
It wasn't leaking, but I had to change the flywheel, and thought I would do the right thing and shout it a new seal.
Still, if I hadn't changed it, and it leaked, I would never have forgiven myself for being a lazy old bugger!
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| posted on December 19th, 2013 at 12:43 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by ragged
What engine? Type 1 or 4? Dave
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Type 1 1600 TP
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| posted on December 19th, 2013 at 01:40 PM |
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I have elring crankshaft seals and a proper tool for fitting it into a type 1 engine. Let me know if I can help! Dave
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| posted on December 20th, 2013 at 03:24 PM |
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Thanks Dave. I appreciate the offer.
Obtained an Elring seal from Bob at Volkscare.
Borrowed a tool from another friend.
Slipped in sweet as, with a little oil for help.
And stayed put! As much as one can ask for.
One tip I was given was to remove the spring and disconnect it from itself.
Snip a few turns from the end and reinstall. This gives it more tension and helps avoid leaks.
Don't cut the wrong end, though!
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