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| posted on March 1st, 2003 at 07:44 PM |
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Starting an engine that has been stored!
Looks like I will be getting a car that has been stored for 7 years, any advice on precausionary steps to do before attempting to fire her up, would
be appreciated.
Rob........
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| posted on March 1st, 2003 at 07:54 PM |
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is that the type 3 u were talking of ?
if i remember a post i once read --
change the oil, change the s.plugs and when plugs out pour a little oil down the hole(also stick finger in and check for crap), check fuel and line
and pump. Have a tow truck number handy just in case.
My etrol pump on my 64 notch was rusted and didnt work and was from a sunny QLD state so anything could be wrong if it dont work.
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| posted on March 1st, 2003 at 07:58 PM |
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If you wanna see if the thing runs then I would just drop the old oil out and refill with new stuff. Then take the positive off the coil and crank
the engine to coat the inside with oil. do that for a minute and then reconnect the postive. Then start it.
If your driving it home any long distance then changing plugs and checking point and stuff may be in order. Best to give it a full tune if you
don't know the history on it.
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| posted on March 1st, 2003 at 08:09 PM |
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Yes it is the same one Skew,
You would not believe it, but the car is two houses down from mine, I saw it, while walking to the corner shop to get milk, I have lived here for
three years and the old lady that lived at the house rarely came out, it just happened that on this particular day, the grandson was getting something
out of the garage and I saw it hiding in there, the old lady is now in a nursing home, and my wife saw them cleaning out the house and went down and
asked them what they were doing with the car, and told them we were interested, they said we could have it for a small sum, yet to be decided but it
looks like under $500.
Like Big Kev says, IM EXCITED!
Thanks for the advice, I think I will tow it to my place and play with it there, I have plenty of time to restore it, so I am in no rush
Rob.....
[Edited on 1-3-2003 by Robo]
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| posted on March 1st, 2003 at 10:17 PM |
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NICE ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
top work dude, keep her tidy and dry. No need to rush a resto, just ask me !
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| posted on March 2nd, 2003 at 01:01 AM |
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last motor that I helped a friend with, had sat for a period
we took out the oil warning light and jammed a piece of tubing in, using compressor pressure we forced engine oil
through the main gallery and turned the motor
over by hand, then cranked with starter motor with ignition
disconnected. Replaced oil switch , ignition, Started it.
Sure would check / replace oil , Fuel , filter etc
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| posted on March 2nd, 2003 at 02:47 AM |
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thanks Glen
I think that is exactly what I will do!
as I said it will not be a rush job, so I have plenty of time, forcing the oil through there, is a good trick how did you come up with that one?
I am pretty lucky in that I have a good friend who has restored some very tasy VW's he is comming to see it for himself, I made him promise
not to gazump me, before I told him where it is!
any more advice about anything you can think of about a car stored this long would be appreciated.
Thanks
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| posted on March 2nd, 2003 at 10:00 AM |
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Hi Rob,
with the collection that we picked up 3 weren't starting - they would turn over but not fire. Manually pouring some petrol into the carburettor
got them going for a little while and pointed to a fuel delivery problem rather than ignition problem.
the problem on all of them turned out to be a seized and blocked fuel tap at the fuel tank - this is the tap that switches between main and reserve
tanks.
Finding replacement taps has not been easy, we picked up the last rebuild kit in Sydney to rebuild one, the others were stripped and cleaned and put
back together and are working fine now.
good luck with your new find!
julian
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| posted on March 2nd, 2003 at 02:42 PM |
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I have had to start a few motors that have sat for a while. usually if it has been stored in a dry garage or out in the country all you really need
to do is change the oil, or at least check the condition of the oil, and remove the spark plugs. turn the motor over by hand a rev or 2 to make sure
it isnt siezed and no mice have been living in there.
if it turns over by hand, crank it with the starter until the oil light goes out, then put the plugs in and fire it up.
Expect the brakes to be siezed or at least not working, and possibly the clutch rusted to the flywheel if its a manual, but apart from that there
shouldnt be any age related problems really.
If it aint broke,
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| posted on March 3rd, 2003 at 08:07 AM |
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I've heard that when re-starting a car that hasn't run for that long, you must replace all rubber fuel lines before you do it.
The rubber will have dried out and turned brittle, and they'll squirt a mist of petrol droplets all over your engine compartment: BOOOM!!! Your
lovely car is now a pile of ash.
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| posted on March 3rd, 2003 at 04:57 PM |
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you should do this on ALL VW's older than '88 regardless of use! 
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| posted on March 3rd, 2003 at 05:56 PM |
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Hool just jogged my memory of reading some other posts.
IF the petrol has been sitting for a while i have read it can gum up.
You might wanna pull the carb off and give a once over...........nah just turn the key!!!
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| posted on March 3rd, 2003 at 06:14 PM |
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that was another problem we encountered - 15 year old petrol in one car! even with the tap fixed the car wouldn't start. Poured about 10l of
fresh petrol in and it started eventually, ran a little rough for a while but is fine now.
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| posted on March 3rd, 2003 at 08:58 PM |
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i read heaps of americans saying this could happen, gumming up of old petrol, BUT none of them had any first hand encounters, so it sounds like its an
old wives tail !
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| posted on March 3rd, 2003 at 09:19 PM |
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sounds like it - the fuel wasn't gummy but it had decomposed into something that wouldn't fire, and didn't smell as strong as new
fuel
the fuel lines themselves didn't seem too bad though, checked them out and didn't need to replace them
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| posted on March 4th, 2003 at 09:13 AM |
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Yeah fuel does go off if it's left for ages. The most volatile compounds evaporate away leaving the thicker oilier ones. I got given a Triumph
once that hadn't been started for about 3 years. When I opened up the carbs they were gummed with red treacle, which was all that was left of
the old Super petrol that had been there. So it's not a wive's tail, I've seen it myself! The good news is it cleans off really
easily with fresh petrol. You should also give the tank a rinse with fresh petrol (use a syphon hose), and if you can you should flush the fuel line
and pump as well.
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| posted on March 5th, 2003 at 12:45 AM |
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Yes, old petrol goes off - ask any farmer! Here in the warmer part of the world, 6 months is generally enough to cause problems. It doesn't
usually "gum up" but after 7 years of drying up it will leave a residue.
Following the procedure of supplying fresh fuel and turning the engine by hand, then oiling it (if it turns easily by hand, just cranking without
plugs until the oil light goes out - with new oil, of course - should do the trick) may get it running well enough to get it home for the bebuild.
The fuel and accelerator pump diagphrams are prime camdidates for "rot" if they have been dry for a while, so keep an eye on them, and yes,
7 year old fuel lines could be a bit of a problem...
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