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| posted on November 14th, 2005 at 08:32 PM |
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HELP! Surface rust under filler
Always best to take all of the concerning parts back to bare metal again.
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helbus
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| posted on November 14th, 2005 at 09:22 PM |
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Best way to remove to bare metal is bead blast. If that is not an option then paint stripper. The instructions will be on the can and it is very very
very very messy.
Expect removal of the old paint to be a few hundred dollars worth of stripper/ painter/ cleaner and a few weeks of your time.
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| posted on November 15th, 2005 at 05:33 AM |
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Are you sure what you are describing is rust?.. Before I go to the trouble of a "back to metal" I would get a paint/panel guy to take a look.. Rust
can develop under anything if the preparation wasn't done properly.. But if the previous guy did take it back to metal, it would be odd if it has
corroded to that extent.. Could the discolouration be a surface prep under the primer?..
Just my thoughts but I certainly would be getting someone with knowledge to take a look before I do anything..
Rob
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| posted on November 15th, 2005 at 11:21 PM |
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It's ok if you are painting your house in water based acrylic, or the kids are doing some watercolours.
I don't think I understand the question?
You should not paint cars with any moisture on the panel. If your compressor is giving moisture out the gun head, then you need a water trap, or in
really humid circumstances a drier, which is like a refrigerator that takes all of the moisture out of the air. We use them in panel shops due to the
sheer volume of air consumed, and they cost thousands!
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Any opinions on painting with moisture?
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 10:13 AM |
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 10:58 AM |
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Your surface prep looks excellent.
The red coloured stuff looks like an oxide primer which is good.
If the primer you have is in a sealed can, then moisture won't be a problem.
Go for it
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 11:03 AM |
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posted by Louis
This thread is now three days old. You could have done what you know needs to be done in this time.
Did you want answers or did you want to be reassured that you could just paint over it without removing rust however minor?
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What a wanker!!!
Looks awesome proctor, keep the pics coming!!!
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 11:06 AM |
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 11:09 AM |
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For some reason i trust hellbus over louiser on this one...maybe its because thats what he does for a living...
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 11:12 AM |
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 11:22 AM |
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Loui, do you ever say anything positive, p#@$ off!!!!!!
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 11:33 AM |
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Just ignore him guys, he has been reported. Louis you have no right to say some of the things you do, and I don't care what you have said to me, I am
saying this in regards to negative comments towards others.
Even if I do make a mistake I am man enough to stand up and accept it.
Primer in a sealed can not having moisture problems is still a fact, I am not telling any fibs there. I am trying to help here. In fact I certainly
feel I can actually get respect from my peers as I show respect to them.
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 11:48 AM |
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37 posts of utter crap...Im guessing he's someone else stirring shite
Thanks for your info peter, very much appreciated!!!
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 11:50 AM |
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So where are your suggestions VDubya/Louis - you seem to be so quick to bag everyone else, what wise words of wisdom can you provide from your many
years of experience?
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 11:52 AM |
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Anyway back on topic.
Looking at the prep and the surface you are showing in the pictures it looks fine to prime. The primer you have on the vehicle looks stable, and
probably the best primer to use over it would be a red oxide etch primer which will work towards making sure any minor problems in regards to moisture
are rectified.
Spies Hecker 2 Pack Red Brown primer actually has some conversion agent in it especially to prevent moisture related problems, unless they are severe
of course.
Your bus will not rust away. Rust holes always start from inside. behind panels where dirt and water build up.
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| posted on November 16th, 2005 at 12:17 PM |
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Offtopic here. Does anyone know what a troll is?
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| posted on November 17th, 2005 at 06:53 AM |
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Proc.. Keep at it mate.. Don't worry too much about the negative shit..
Preparation is the key.. If you do that right, you will have a good looking bus for years to come..
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| posted on November 17th, 2005 at 11:50 AM |
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Spies Hecker is one of the best, although PPG make one similar that is a two pack etch primer, but I am unsure if it is red/brown in colour
In fact your paint shop should be able to offer whatever brand they specialise in. The inportant thing to get is a two part etch primer suitable for
primary layer application. These primary layer etch primers are designed to etch, seal, prime and usually the better ones have qualities that make
them hold minor imperfections of surface rust at bay.
Now remembering that perfect clenliness and brand new metal would be a perfect world, well it isn't, so they put these additives to help. This is not
to say that a scaly rusty surface can be fixed, as the amount of additives to do that would leave no primer.
Like a lot of formula's. They can only use so much of each additive until the product will fail in another area. It is up to you to get it to the
stage you have got it, and the bit that hurts is that it is the more expensive products that do the better job.
Dont use industrial on part steel etch primer, as it is designed for sheds and tractors that are to be painted in air dry enamel. You wont get a good
paint finish on top of it.
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| posted on November 17th, 2005 at 06:04 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Offtopic here. Does anyone know what a troll is?
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GROW UP LOUIS!!!!
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| posted on November 17th, 2005 at 07:02 PM |
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I took Hellbus' advice and Stephs and Killakorns and alls turned out well...if you can't be an asset to a thread, don't be a drain ...
Loves a lolcat
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