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building a manx? see some costings here
ok so you wanna cheap off road vehicle with style???
a soft top? A MANX
this is what i did..
i found an old manx it was in pretty much original condition ie gel coat vg 1300 swing axle gearbox vg1200 sp motor, link pin front end, all original
manx barwork, soft top etc......
i bought it because it also had.....
new steering box, new 4 wheel disc brake conversion inc brand new slotted rotors ,pads etc on all four wheels, new golf m/cyl, new custom
wheels(powdercoated) alloy steering colum, boxes of urethane bushes, AND (important to me) all original paperwork from its build in brisbane in
1982
est cost up to $15,000
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i intend for this buggy to be capable off road so either i rebuild the old floor pan it has no rust but its a swingaxle and has deen better days i opt
for a refabrication so the buggy is stripped and a new heavy duty floor pan is the order of the day. If you dont have the fabrication skills there
is a place in Brisbane that will do your old pan up for $3810.00 http://www.customoffroad.com.au/vw/partFull.asp?partid=173
here is mine
est cost up to $4,500
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mine
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gel coat was definately showing its age fiberglass aint that hard to work with but to do it properly is another thing so the stripped body and bonnet
went off to the panelbeaters to be filled and resprayed in 2pac and have this done right
est cost $2000 up to $5000
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| posted on May 3rd, 2007 at 12:40 PM |
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roll cage/bar
roll cages/bar are mandatory to have in a soft top fiberglass bodied car not only do they offer protection from a roll over but the add tortional
rigidity to it too plus they are great help getting in and out of a car with no doors with my roll cage i have a 7 point 2 in front two behind and one
on the tunnel and two on the firewall it has a front and rear hoop tied together with 3 bars as well as extra side intrusion diagonal bars and a rear
diagonal bar
you can buy a custom standard 6 point roll cage for about $1,600 and build on from there
heres mine
est cost $1,800
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| posted on May 3rd, 2007 at 12:43 PM |
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:thumb
and the body before it is painted
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the chassis and the roll cage needed paint so it wsa off to the blasters blasted and then painted top and bottom
est cost $1000 up to $2,500
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| posted on May 3rd, 2007 at 12:52 PM |
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so i have a genuine manx renewed and repainted body, heavy duty irs chassis repainted, custom roll cage repainted, and all the other associated bits n
pieces
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| posted on May 3rd, 2007 at 01:02 PM |
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and then suddenly i have to leave the country for a undetermined time :cry
i have to book my buggy in to have it finished lucky for me there are places that offer this service so........ i loaded up the truck an moved to
beverly
well not exactly more like i loaded up the trailer and moved it all to stafford i had already organised to sell my old twin cab to them and also told
them i was bringing the manx
im not going to type the whole quote but im trying to give ppl some idea what it takes to build a manx so ill just cut n paste
24/01/07 Hi Bill,
In line with our discussion I have gone through everything which I can think of which has arisen as a
result of our discussions and costed it the best I can. I have itemised it against areas and the labour
times I have used are based on past jobs and educated estimation.
Ser Item QTY Cost Total
1 Floor Pan
2
Labour - Strip existing front end from pan, reassemble
supplied front beam after modifications
have occurred, fit new seals, grease, re-fit discs and
callipers. 3 $77.00 $231.00
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COR022 - Modified offroad front beam, modified
pricing due to beam supplied with adjusters fitted. 1 $275.00 $275.00
4 COR020 - Notched frame head on bare pan 1 $155.00 $155.00
5
COR073 - Fit Golf Master Cylinder to pan, M/C
supplied by Customer. Usually $395 1 $265.00 $265.00
6 COR092 -Modify Rear Shock canisters 1 $165.00 $165.00
7
Labour - remove rear arms, change over to
specified arms, install correct washers, bolts etc,
install new rear wheel bearings, change rear discs
over from swing axle rear end. 4.5 $77.00 $346.50
8 COR041 - Heavy Duty rear wheel bearing kit IRS 1 $99.00 $99.00
9 COR093 - Modified Handbrake 1 $165.00 $165.00
10
Labour - Fit new brake lines to front and rear
brakes. Both hard and flex lines. Bleed up brakes
and test. Modify mounts to suit, fit front brake line
retainer brackets. 2 $77.00 $154.00
11 COR034 - Access hole to clutch cable and cover 1 $160.00 $160.00
12
Labour - Fit supplied pedal assembly, fit clutch tube
to tunnel, modify accel linkage and fit later shaft to
suit. Tap mounting holes and modify return stop due
to pan design. Fit clutch cable and test operation.
Fit heavy duty accel pedal kit. 4 $77.00 $308.00
13 COR094 - Heavy Duty Accel pedal kit 1 $165.00 $165.00
14 COR025 - Kombi Transmission Kit 1 $395.00 $395.00
15
COR025a - Fitment of Kombi transmission kit to
bare pan 1 $120.00 $120.00
16
Labour - Strip and inspect supplied CV's. Select
best 4, clean and repack with grease. Fit to supplied
modified axles, fit new boots, tap out 3 flange holes
to allow fitment. Fit axles to floor pan. 2 $77.00 $154.00
17
Labour - Test fit body to pan, fit hold down straps
and roll cage. Mark straps for modification and mark
floor pan for bolt holes. Remove body from pan, drill
holes and add nutserts. Modify hold down straps to
allow fitment of roll cage. Refit body and roll cage.
Seal body to pan and secure in place. 3.5 $77.00 $269.50
18 COR068 - Supply and fit jap import seats to buggy 1 $880.00 $880.00
19
Supply and fit new seat belts if required, non
retractable 2 $110.00 $220.00
20
Labour - Make custom bar mount plates for front fire
wall. Supply and fit collapsible steering column, cut
body to suit, make cover plates to suit and fabricate
mounts for column, connect column to steering box
and set alignment. Fit supplied Manx dash and
modify to suit supplied dash face and gauges.
Modify dash mounts to get correct alignment with
bonnet. 6.5 $77.00 $500.50
21 Collapsible steering column only 1 $44.00 $44.00
22
COR090 - Complete Buggy Re-wire using existing
switches and lights. Includes new relays, fuses,
waterproof connectors, flip down fuse mounts etc.
Comes with legend and warranty. 1 $1,450.00 $1,450.00
23 COR056 - Chrome Buggy Lights 1 $285.00 $285.00
24 Supply and Fit new front turn signals 2 $25.00 $50.00
25
Labour - re-assemble supplied front windscreen and
fit to buggy, drill holes to suit and seal to bonnet
once complete 1 $77.00 $77.00
26
Labour - Fit supplied front and rear bars to buggy.
Modify rear bar to suit. 1.5 $77.00 $115.50
27
Supply Desert Dueller tyres to suit rims. 215 x 75 x
15 front and 31 x 10r x 15 rear 1 $880.00 $880.00
28 Reco 1800 Kombi Transmission Outright 1 $1,100.00 $1,100.00
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1916 Engine as seen. Complete with DRLA 45
Carbie 1 $2,500.00 $2,500.00
30 4 into 1 Baja Exhaust - Fitted 1 $385.00 $385.00
31
Labour - Fit engine to buggy, run new fuel line,
install fuel tank, fit fuel filter. Service engine, new
oils, adjust tappets, test run 3.5 $77.00 $269.50
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Misc Parts - Fuel line, filter, gaskets, sealant, envir
levy, oils, clutch cable, buggy handbrake cables, cv
boots, brake fluid, bolts, flex brake lines, hard brake
lines, rear tail light colour match etc etc supplied as
a best guess. Invoice will contain detailed break
down of all costing. Figure provided is what I
believe to be worse case. 1 $1,500.00 $1,500.00
$13,683.50
Deposit Paid - Dual Cab and Parts $1,500.00
Outstanding Balance $12,183.50
I have no idea what you where expecting as a bottom line but most of the prices above are listed on
the website and others I made you aware of when your dropped your car off. I am sure from past
experience you are well aware of how long it takes to do most things and should find that the times I
specified are realistic.
Now that I have gone through the build in some detail and worked out the parts and labour I expect it
to take to complete the build and hand over the keys to a fresh looking buggy with the above specs in
tip top running order, with QLD RWC if required I can offer you two options.
Option 1 – I can go firm on the above price and will wear any additional costing or labour that is
required to get the job done. If accepted this would mean that the Buggy would be completed as
specified above for the bottom line of $13683.50 with a balance owing of $12 183.50 fixed.
Option 2 – We treat the above figures as an estimate and I provide you with a detailed invoice upon
completion and the price goes up or down as dictated by the itemised invoice in line with our terms
and conditions.
I have obviously included some fudge in my above figures to cover my ass in most minor cases. I am
confident they are reasonably accurate and should give you a good guide in making a decision.
Anyway I had better get some sleep now I have buggies to build in the morning.
Cheers,
Brad
cost $13683.50
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| posted on May 3rd, 2007 at 01:19 PM |
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antoher thread here too http://buggyadventures.com.au/phpBB2/posting.php?mode=reply&t=76
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| posted on May 3rd, 2007 at 03:49 PM |
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Looks like a lot of fun, but more importantly, I like your avatar.
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it's good to know what everything costs but would brad be happy with you putting his quote in the internet?
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by pete wood
it's good to know what everything costs but would brad be happy with you putting his quote in the internet?
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1.hang on i dont have my telepathy helmet on so im not sure if Brad is happy or not
2. he gave me the quote.... so its my quote and why wouldnt he be happy?
3. most costings are on the cor website
4. i dont think Brad has anything to hide(you'd tell me if you knew different wouldnt ya pete????)
now back in your box pete or ill tell the alien lobsters your number plate and you know what appens then :alien
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by squizy
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thanks mate
i thought with a name like squizy all your wishes would come true:P
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well ok, but don't think the alien lobsters aren't watching you! 
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Sounds like a fair quote to me. That's a lot of work there.
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My brother and I helped a mate re-build a street Buggy at home. It got a lot of new stuff including wheels and a full-tilt Pobjoy 1916cc etc
DIY, it soaked up $45K. A decade ago!
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I'm building a street bug and have spent well over 15k and I don't even have a rolling pan yet  I've had some bits done by COR and to be honest the price often stings but you find me someone else doing custom
fabrication that is happy to take your business and give you a guarantee. When I pay retail its because I'm to busy or I can be making more doing
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| posted on May 6th, 2007 at 05:00 PM |
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building a manx is alot cheaper than most people would have thought.
with quality dedicated shops offering everything from woe to go and all the backup you could imagine why not get into one of these projects for next
summer
a very cheap off road car with ooooodles of style !!!!!!
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| posted on May 7th, 2007 at 09:39 PM |
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hi....
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posted by pete wood
it's good to know what everything costs but would brad be happy with you putting his quote in the internet?
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In short Brad doesn't care ...
Custom Offroad Components is as far as I know the only Business left out there in Aussie VW world who will provide a quote on such work. This is a
double edged weapon as it opens the doors to people saying they can do it cheaper and that we are over priced.
As I have said too many people over the years who say this, we are not Bunnings, we do not price match and if you wish to take our quote elsewhere and
they provide you with a written quote doing the same work for less then get them to do it.
Building any Custom Car is not a cheap exercise. It cost Custom Offroad $5000 a week just to open the doors so the cost of getting work done is
calculated from this. It is not a pluck which varies from day to day. Anyone who thinks there is good money in doing what Custom Offroad does is
dreaming. To do stuff correctly and without crap quality takes time, money and experience.
When we provide a written quote we don’t mind if people decide to tell others and post it on the net. If we did then we would give a verbal quote
like most shops and then we could argue, dodge and weave to get around doing what we said we would.
Anyway thanks to all those people who let me know about the thread.
Now back to my Super Iguana …..
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$5000 PER WEEK , that means $250000 turn over before any profits ? shit , u need a real job.
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| Quote: | Originally
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$5000 PER WEEK , that means $250000 turn over before any profits ? shit , u need a real job.
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It is actually $260 000 turn over per year plus parts.
A real job ... trust me working on VW's and dealing with VW people is the hardest thing I have ever done, that is why I went back to my other job and
left running the business and dealing with customers to people who are much better at it than myself.
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| Quote: | Originally
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$5000 PER WEEK , that means $250000 turn over before any profits ? shit , u need a real job.
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:pukethat would really depend on the sales revenue, profit margin and then the net income and investment turnover now wouldnt it!!!
the sale cost on its own means nothing
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just waiting on some progress pics from brad then ill post em ere
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ok her are the pics i rec two months or so ago since then numerous emails have been sent and "lost" into cyberspace due to a "crash" at COR's
webite but communication is once again up and running and hopefully work will recommence soon
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can you tell it to me please what is your colour im like this buggy looks good you have it very tuff buggy you build for show or for use
what wheels is it you use it for buggy
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well the cars been picked up photos to follow
have to give a shout out to pete at cor now cvw for managing to sort this thing out between the business swapping hands, computer crashes, flat tyres,
running out of gas, plagues of locust, flash floods, hurricanes, tsunami's, landslides, i understand, it just wasnt his fault 
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its rego'd n going once the fully reco'd pobjoy 1916's run in it will get a good run up rainbow the down to stockton ppl just love this buggy
its filthy in the pics
i have to give a big thank you to Simon "guru" on the forum from Bodyworks Unlimited for the body work and stunning paint cheers mate
here it is comming in at just over $30.000
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