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| posted on November 29th, 2007 at 10:01 PM |
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CB's @ Day of VW 07.....and a discussion about PTO option
Nathan,
The gents over in General Chat say there were two CB's at the Day of VW.
Grey 57 says your dad, Dennis, won a trophy or class.
Is that true?
Did you have the other CB at the meet?
The kids in the back look lke they are having a blast surveying the meet from their unique perch.
;-)
Is the car original, or has it been restored?
btw, what is the small hole in the rear panel just above the rear bumper?
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| posted on November 29th, 2007 at 10:36 PM |
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The hole is for Power take off.
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| posted on November 30th, 2007 at 11:15 AM |
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fathers buggy
Yeah thats my fathers buggy.
Restored a few years ago now and driven daily.
My parents drove the KG to the show instead this year but a friend offered to drive the buggy.
So one of the kids is his and the other his friend.
They thought it was great fun!
It won first for the day and the other CB came second.
So every CB that attended took home a prize! LOL
The roofs off at this stage as its been pulled apart to use as a template to mate other roofs.
lucky it didn't rain, its a long drive home.
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| posted on November 30th, 2007 at 10:12 PM |
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Nathan,
Thanks for the additional info.
Your dad's CB is a great looking vehilce.
John....yeah that small hole makes sense to me now.
I seemed to remember reading something about an optional PTO in Bill Moore's The Australian Country Buggy Story,
http://members.netro.com.au/~vwcc/cb.htm
I've only reread that article about a hundred times.....
Bill states he has only seen one actually installed on a CB in W.A.
There's a pic of the unit from Bill's acrticle here: http://members.netro.com.au/~vwcc/cb_files/image004.jpg
The pic shows basically the engine compartment area with only a small portion of the external portion of the PTO showing.
What is the rod sticking up from the unit?
I'm curious as to how these PTO's were activated.
Was it done with a mechanical lever? If so, where was this lever located?
I'm betting it wasn't an electircal activated PTO.
The unit in the pic doesn't appear to have a drive belt installed, but i'm assumiing it was driven off the crank pully somehow, perhaps with a
longer belt to reach the generator, crank, and PTO pullys.
What would have been some typical uses for this PTO option on Australian farms?
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Steve
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| posted on November 30th, 2007 at 10:33 PM |
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Steve,
since I've never seen one, we can only assume, that PTO was driven by V-belt from twin crankshaft pulley.Probably flexible shaft was used to attach
implements ( pumps,saws etc.) to PTO .
On the picture there is an overcentre latch on the right hand side of PTO gearbox.That would probably maintain tension on the V- belt.
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| posted on December 1st, 2007 at 10:50 PM |
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This PTO option is an interesting curiosity.
It's something I wish we all could discover more information about.
Provisions would had to have been made during production and the welding of the body for the option to have been fitted to the car, either during
initial production at Clayton, or added as an accessory later by a dealer or even an owner himself.
Since I'm a curious guy and somewhat an observer of details, I went back through my file pics of CB's to see if I could find evidence of my above
assumption.
In Bill's pic of the PTO unit, I noted a small bracket on the right hand side which the spring loaded tensioning device is attached to via a
pin......a bit a a yoke and clevis device
I wondered if this was included on other CB's, so I referred to my pics.
Sure enough, evidence of provisions for this option showed up in two of the good pics I have of engine compartments.
John, I'm betting your CB has this mounting bracket welded to the inside of the engine compartment on the right side, and I'm betting all the
production
CB's intended for Australian consumption had this bracket for the PTO assembly.
Nathan, do your and your dad's CB's have this bracket?
How about yours Bill?
I've included the pics I have which show this bracket clearly.
The first vehicle is Randy Carlson's Oldbug restoration. It has been resold a couple of times of times here in the US, and Bill Moore and I have lost
track of it.
The second vehicle is Erich Kircher's CB first shown publicly here in California in April.
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| posted on December 2nd, 2007 at 09:29 PM |
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I've been looking for more photo evidence of PTOs.......or a least something that appears differently than the open hole in the rear body apron.
I found a pic (first one) in an old CB mosiac photo ad which I cropped which shows something other than the open hole.
I also found a pic (the second one) I believe was submitted by Nathan in a thread about CB's before this forum was created that has a device that
appears exactly to be the same as the device in the ad pic.
Whether its a PTO or not, I can't say, but its certainly not a open hole.
Sure wish Bill's pic included a better view of what ever is on the outside of the body.
Have any other shots of this, Bill?
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| posted on December 2nd, 2007 at 11:08 PM |
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That is a rubber plug covering entry to PTO tube,which supports PTO gearbox.
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| posted on December 2nd, 2007 at 11:16 PM |
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| posted on December 3rd, 2007 at 01:21 AM |
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John,
You may be correct, but to me what I'm seeing in the two pics I posted looks different than a plain looking rubber plug like you posted.
Is that a pic of your car with the plug or a different car?
btw, does your CB have that PTO linkage bracket I talked about and posted pics of in the engine compartment?
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Steve
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| posted on December 3rd, 2007 at 11:40 AM |
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pto
On this buggy the thing that you can see fitted up to the pto outlet is a trailer plug.This has now been removed.
These two pictures are the same car.
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| posted on December 5th, 2007 at 08:21 PM |
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Steve,Pto linkage bracket is very likely in every CB built
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| posted on December 13th, 2007 at 07:44 PM |
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The metal arm in the picture on the PTO is actually a clutch level. This engages and disengages the drive shaft of the PTO depending on whether it is
pushed left or right. If I recall it was over to the right which was engaged. The PTO is driven by a fan belt on the PTO pulley driven off a second
crankshaft pulley, engaged as indicated. The bracket on the side is common to all CBs from what I recall.
I will post a few more photos for clarification later.( when I find them on the PC)
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| posted on July 12th, 2008 at 02:10 PM |
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Hi all CB owners.
Just thought you might be interested to know that photo of the PTO is off old Wally as pictured. Is it still the only one in existence?
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| posted on July 12th, 2008 at 03:10 PM |
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Wally you have a PM
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 08:59 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Wally
Hi all CB owners.
Just thought you might be interested to know that photo of the PTO is off old Wally as pictured. Is it still the only one in existence?
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Would like to see some more pictures if you could?
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 11:11 PM |
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Dittos on Nathan's statement.
We're all wackos for any CB pics out there!
;-)
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Steve
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| posted on March 27th, 2010 at 11:02 PM |
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so this PTO with its own crankshaft etc.... what doe a power take off do?
whats its purpose? I luv these mysteries 
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| posted on March 28th, 2010 at 06:55 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by bajachris88
what doe a power take off do?
whats its purpose?
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PTO's are for running "stuff" around the farm.
They're something that every tractor has as standard... used for providing mechanical power/torque to things like slashers (big evil lawn mowing
things), spreaders, seeders, augers/posthole diggers. winches... even chain saws.
Idea is you have the engine running, and then when engage the PTO whatever you have connected starts spinning based on engine speed.
btw - I don't think a PTO would have it's own crank shaft... there's no pistons in 'em... it's really just a beefy extra pulley setup with a
socket/connection type of thing in the center that is accessed through that hole in the back of the bodywork.
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