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 v17l
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| posted on July 16th, 2009 at 09:53 PM |
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Quality Electronic ignition
Hi
I have just joined the ranks with a 1970 1500 type 1. The beetle has points and I don't have fond memories from my youth having to keep on setting
points and the timing in general.
So my question is there a quality electronic ignition system that I can fit to the beetle. I'm told I don't have the 009 dissy.
What is the general things people have fitted?
thanks
steve
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| posted on July 17th, 2009 at 01:06 AM |
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posted by v17l
Hi
I have just joined the ranks with a 1970 1500 type 1. The beetle has points and I don't have fond memories from my youth having to keep on setting
points and the timing in general.
So my question is there a quality electronic ignition system that I can fit to the beetle. I'm told I don't have the 009 dissy.
What is the general things people have fitted?
thanks
steve
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Many people have Petronix or other electronic ignition systems which really do make a difference..
Mick Motors and others sell these kits and distributors that come complete with the electronic ignitions...
otherwise its checking and adjusting the points and timing.
Lee
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| posted on July 17th, 2009 at 07:32 AM |
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I use Scorcher
Bosh parts. Readily available
A complete unit
http://www.performanceignition.com.au/
I havent use the one fron VVDS but i have seen they sell a coil pack
No rotor or cap 
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| posted on July 17th, 2009 at 04:44 PM |
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just steer clear of anything with empi/accufire/hotspark etc lables on them
if its under $100 theres a reason
ive been through to many of them
lashed out and got a pertonix ignitorII and had good luck with this one
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| posted on July 17th, 2009 at 04:48 PM |
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Check out the upcoming VWMA... CBB is having unbeatable sales on Pertronix stuff. Modules, dizzies etc.
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| posted on July 17th, 2009 at 04:59 PM |
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Thanks everyone for the quick answers.
I'll have to follow up and learn more about these systems.
May I ask what is "VWMA... CBB" as I haven't come accross this acronym before.
One last newbie question, I have to rebuild my tool kit now I have to start working on the dub, is the dub, metric or SAE or some other system?
thanks
steve
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| posted on July 17th, 2009 at 05:09 PM |
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VWMA - VW Magazine Australia http://www.vwma.net.au/
CBB - Custom Bugs and Busses http://www.cbbvw.com/index2.html
Tools - metric - mainly 10,13,17mm would get you 90% of the suckers
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| posted on July 17th, 2009 at 05:22 PM |
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Thanks again for the quick reply. I am amazed at all the information that is out there and the advice given. As a newbie, I have to say it is a very
friendly atmosphere to ask and learn.
Will chase up those specials mentioned.
As for tools, have now let the word out to the family for my up and coming birthday. I might try to raid my son's toolbox, that would really be
revenge...
cheers
steve
PS Bizarre - gotta say your avatar is down right scary.
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 06:21 PM |
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I just recently fitted a new dizzy from Dbb and Pertronix ignition, easy to fit and cured most of my tuning problems as well.
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| posted on July 23rd, 2009 at 12:01 AM |
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(if you go for cheap things like me)
I've got High energy ignition came as a kit from Dick smith. its proven to be reliable kit came with aluminium box and cost me $25 a few years back.
i don't know if they still sell them. the kit operates on points as a signal pick up but there is virtually no current flowing thru so the mechanical
wear is little to none.
[i find that you shouldn't mount it in the engine bay.. as i found out on a rainy day the water gets in. because i still had my points i just bypassthe kit and run ignition on the points, went home, next day hook it back up and the kit still works]
there is also programmable high energy ignition from jaycar that lets you map the ignition advance and optional knock sensor. there are 3mapping rpm
point (low mid high) but that's pretty much enough unless you've got a hi rev racing engine. cost about $100 but u could probably get something
like a pointless kit from your vw shop with that price
high energy ignition makes cold start easier and low rev operation too..
these high energy ignition has current limit
and there's a CDI (capacitor discharge ignition) which stores charges inside a capacitor and release a burst into a coil. altho the kit they stock is
for a bike but one of the guy said it should work the same
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5466
(if you go for cheap things like me)
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| posted on July 23rd, 2009 at 08:13 PM |
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Hi jsheppard64
As an Electronic Engineer I had been looking very closely at the kits you have mentioned. The siliconchip CDI systems are designed by John Clarke.
John's designs are very well thought out and designed.
I have been leaning to the ignitor hall effect points replacement device, because the points are replaced completely. Even with low current, the
points still have problems with the constant rubbing on the drive shaft of the distributor.
I did see on youtube a clip of the 009 dissy being installed with the ignitor hall effect point replacement.
I also note that the CDI design in siliconchip can use hall effect devices as a trigger for the CDI, so maybe down the track I might give John's
design a whirl. Johns design also requires a hand control kit so that you can program and set up the CDI kit, this is about $60 extra.
regards
steve
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| posted on July 23rd, 2009 at 08:16 PM |
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Hi annosL
I am not familiar with the acronym Dbb. Is it a company or website.
regards
steve
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| posted on July 24th, 2009 at 01:55 AM |
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well sorry about that then i didn't know CDI uses hall trigger i thought it would be the same as the multi spark CDI kit a few years back from DSE...
i originally wanted this but it was discontinued 
I do like having the kit operate from the points because when the kit dies i can just unplug the kit and run the coil on points.
simple but it takes a minute and get me home. however the best thing is to not have it die in the first place. (mine usually die from water)
Plus i have the habit of just pulling things apart so the points are regularly adjusted
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| posted on July 24th, 2009 at 06:35 AM |
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Hi jsheppard64
I think I should have explained more. The new kt has multiple triggering options and still includes points. From memory it has points, hall effect,
optical and reluctor triggering options.
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steve
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| posted on July 24th, 2009 at 03:21 PM |
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I didn't really had a look at the new CDI kit but it will be quite long lasting with your way. i guess i'm still blinded because of my "low funds
decease"... i'll stop embarassing myself now
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| Quote: | and there's a CDI
(capacitor discharge ignition) which stores charges inside a capacitor and release a burst into a coil. altho the kit they stock is for a bike but one
of the guy said it should work the same
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5466
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is there any reason why a bike CDI unit cant be used on a car? theres plenty of cheap bike CDI units on ebay too
lastly anyone know what the difference is between these from jaycar -
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5443&CATID=25&form=CAT&...
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5466&CATID=25&form=CAT&...
cheers
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| posted on October 27th, 2009 at 10:36 PM |
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One of it is just the Coil Driver from the look it is to be used in conjunction with programmable electronic ignition.
the other one is a CDI for bike
It uses a trigger coil for pick up.
and it uses a generator coil.
both triggered by magnet on a bike's flywheel. i guess you could use it if you have a magneto ignition
but it's probably not going to be easy using it on cars
i mentioned about this one before but i only saw the
jaycar page which was a bit ambiguous as to adaption to be use on cars
I've read about it just now
http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_110499/article.html
most CDI that can be used on cars are a bit expensive.
last year i ordered Universal High Energy Ignition kit K3303 from Dick Smith cost me $25
(I had to order it coz they don't stock them anymore)
in any case it is sure to work with our 12v bugs
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| posted on October 27th, 2009 at 10:57 PM |
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last year i ordered Universal High Energy Ignition kit K3303 from Dick Smith cost me $25
(I had to order it coz they don't stock them anymore)
in any case it is sure to work with our 12v bugs
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Hi
I've used a K3303 for a few years now
engine started first time every time... Excellent..
it was used with points...
I have another kit to be made up for use with the Pertronix electronic points replacement.. Hall effect...
My points K3303 HEI stopped working last week at Maccas carpark engine just died...
after hooking up the condenser to the coil...
engine started straight away...
Heat may have caused the HEI transistor to fail, as I have it mounted to the back of the fan housing...
I used to have it at the top of the engine bay on the LHS at first.. thought I'd hide it...
I have heard thats its best not to put the HEI ignition in the VW engine bay... maybe either inside the car or above the gearbox...
the wire coming from the distributor[points] i placed a round male terminal with a plastic cover over it...
the wire from the HEI had a female round connector with a plastic cover over it.. the wire from Condensor also had a round female connector with a
plastic cover..
so, after disconnecting the HEI from the - neg side of the coil
I connected a lead from the condensor ..
only small problem was i didn't have the condenser already screwed to the distributor.. if I had that done it would only mean changing two leads..
coil and distributor..
cheers
LEE
PS: The K3303 HEI were worth around $79 when they were being sold at DSE...
this kit is also being sold in the US very cheaply..
but I don't know who is selling them...
cheers
LEE
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 06:39 AM |
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I use one of these http://www.123ignition.com.au/ in my morris mini its been
awsome sofar and thinking i will get one for the
bug when i get to fixing it up.
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