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 DylanTheDubber
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 05:53 PM |
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Superbug Front Disc Brake Upgrades??
Hey Guys,
Im Rebuilding the front end on my bug and want to upgrade or modifiy the front brakes on my beetle to something a bit better and also want to run a
Subaru Stud Pattern of 5x 114.4 i think it is?? Wanting a Cheap upgrade thats a bit better and will suit.
From Dylan
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 06:58 PM |
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Dylan the words cheap and brakes do not go together,the standard brakes with decent rotors and pads work quite well and would in my opinion be better
off waiting until you can afford an upgrade. Cheers Les
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 07:30 PM |
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Hey grumble, what rotors and pads can you upgrade to?
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 07:38 PM |
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There are plenty of "kits" out there
V Force do a Boxster upgrade for one
You need to match the rears as well
There is not much change from several grand
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 08:31 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Bizarre
There are plenty of "kits" out there
V Force do a Boxster upgrade for one
You need to match the rears as well
There is not much change from several grand
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As I said cheap and brakes do not go together,Richard is a great one to talk to regarding safety equipment such as brakes.
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 11:22 PM |
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Hi
The only bolt on upgrade is early Type 3 callipers, they use a 42 rather than a 40 mm piston. They use the same pads as 72 Supers, but have a single
bleed nipple as opposed to supers which have twin bleed nipples.
I have them on my sons bug.
Steve
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 12:27 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by DylanTheDubber
Hey Guys,
Im Rebuilding the front end on my bug and want to upgrade or modifiy the front brakes on my beetle to something a bit better and also want to run a
Subaru Stud Pattern of 5x 114.4 i think it is?? Wanting a Cheap upgrade thats a bit better and will suit.
From Dylan
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114.3 IS A COMMON pcd??
YOU WILL NEED TO BUY NEW BRAKE DISCS AND BRAKE DRUMS and have them redrilled... John Sherman does them.
the front disc brakes on Beetles work really great..
I can lock up My front brakes any time by hitting the brakes..
so, paying for better brakes isn't needed..
and having the rears adjusted up will lock them all up..
especially in the wet... YIKES...
remember that NO BEETLES in USA ever had disc brakes...
even in 1976... lol
cheers
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 01:03 AM |
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posted by 1303Steve
Hi
The only bolt on upgrade is early Type 3 callipers, they use a 42 rather than a 40 mm piston. They use the same pads as 72 Supers, but have a single
bleed nipple as opposed to supers which have twin bleed nipples.
I have them on my sons bug.
Steve
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Do they make much of a difference?
Also I've read about people using type 3 drums up back. I assume they are slightly bigger in some respect. Do you know if this I'd correct?
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 07:20 AM |
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Correct
Type 3 drums are the go but parts are hard to get
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 08:25 AM |
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Hi Lee,
Locking your front brakes up is no indication of how good they are and larger brakes are a huge improvement over the standard ones on your car, the
brake should not fade and allow good modulation of the brake force without locking the wheels allowing you to be able to steer the car under heavy
braking, if you drive your car with any spirit you will find the standard disc's fade quickly when you brake hard repeatly, i have engineered my four
wheel disc brake conversion and both ends are vented 300 MM disc's with the fronts have a four spot calipers, major increase in braking force without
any lock up.
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 09:42 AM |
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Dylan go to your local brake shop, try and find one that deals with performance brakes/pads. Speak to them about getting some better material bonded
to your pads and shoes. This will bring about a marked improvement for a little cost.
Good luck
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 09:55 AM |
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Don't quote me on it but the type3 rear drums are 46mm wide shoes vs 40mm beetle ones sounds about right.
But it;s the design thats better, I had them on my black bug, they're like modern cars have with a hub then the drum sits over that, so the axle nut
never needs undoing for anything other than bearing replacement.
Dylan, Subis are 5x100 but 5x114.3 is the better choice as it;s the most common stud pattern out there.
Falcon, toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Mitsubishi etc all use that pattern.
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| posted on August 18th, 2011 at 04:56 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vwo60
Hi Lee,
Locking your front brakes up is no indication of how good they are and larger brakes are a huge improvement over the standard ones on your car, the
brake should not fade and allow good modulation of the brake force without locking the wheels allowing you to be able to steer the car under heavy
braking, if you drive your car with any spirit you will find the standard disc's fade quickly when you brake hard repeatly, i have engineered my four
wheel disc brake conversion and both ends are vented 300 MM disc's with the fronts have a four spot calipers, major increase in braking force without
any lock up.
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yeah fade is a major problem. I don't think I have ever driven a car without being able to fade the brakes.
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| posted on August 18th, 2011 at 07:54 PM |
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I have had fade twice in my life and it 'aint fun!
The pedal remains rock hard and the braking just fades away.
Real scary stuff.
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| posted on August 18th, 2011 at 08:57 PM |
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The standard disc's on my 70 model beetle used to just lock, it was nothing or all with no control in between, the brakes that i built myself are so
large for the car i have not been able to get them to fade,
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