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| posted on December 19th, 2012 at 02:58 PM |
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front suspension
hey guys
has any body else encountered clearence problems like this before? its a 68 beetle with adjustable front beam with drop spindles.
when compressing the suspension the lower ball joint will hit the rim.
i have also added a few more photos to show you what im up to.
thanks gordon
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| posted on December 19th, 2012 at 03:23 PM |
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Ouch, that'll hurt on our terrible roads that is for sure.
What size wheels are they anyway?
Oh, and a very nice looking engine bay you have there kind sir!
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| posted on December 19th, 2012 at 03:28 PM |
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If they are a 15" rim you could have problem's, you have to remember that the ball joint is now 2.5" closer to the rim, i run dropped spindles on
my convertable but have 16" wheels, the only issue i had was with the wheel touching the gbug screw nut on the lower trailing arm on lock.
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| posted on December 19th, 2012 at 03:46 PM |
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Yes the rims are 15 x 5.5. Have not tried lock to lock yet.
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| posted on December 19th, 2012 at 03:58 PM |
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Common problem, depends on rims. You can clearance with a grinder to a degree, but hard to tell from a pic exactly how much is required.
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| posted on December 19th, 2012 at 04:04 PM |
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needs a bit too much for an angle grinder. its not bottomed out at that.
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| posted on December 19th, 2012 at 04:07 PM |
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The drop spindles are the culprit here, in case you didn't already realise that. The lower ball-joint shouldn't move very far with suspension
movement.
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| posted on December 20th, 2012 at 07:34 PM |
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So it looks like different rims will be the best way to fix my problem . Are 16 x 6 steel wheels available ? . What other options do i have . Looks
like i will need another set of disc rotors .
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| posted on December 20th, 2012 at 09:48 PM |
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Hi Gordon,
Car is looking very sweet.
Other option is to get rid of the drop spindles. I only have the adjustable beam on mine.
Merry Christmas, Kev
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| posted on December 20th, 2012 at 10:30 PM |
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Excuse me mate, touch off topic but would you share what dizzy / dizzy cap you are running there ? I like the looks and the clearance it gives, never
seen one like that before ....
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| posted on December 21st, 2012 at 07:26 AM |
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I run the porsche boxter wheels on mine, correct et front and back, 6" x 16" front and 7" x 16" rear.
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| posted on December 21st, 2012 at 09:15 AM |
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Gotta agree with Kev, just ditch the dropped spindles and go back to stock ones, You will easily get that same ride height with your adjustable beam
and those Fuchs really suit it.
Assuming you have Porsche pattern brakes the sucky thing about that is you're stuck with Porsche wheels which don't exactly have a huge range so
swapping rims is often easier said than done.
Doug, that's not a distributor cap, car has a coil pack ignition setup.
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| posted on December 21st, 2012 at 12:27 PM |
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I paid $ 300 for the 16" boxter wheels.
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| posted on December 21st, 2012 at 12:58 PM |
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Joel - thought it might have been something like that but hadnt ever seen one witht he pickup in the dizzy body (which I presume is whats going on
here ?) - always thought they needed chopper wheel type setup on the crank pulley.
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| posted on December 21st, 2012 at 04:09 PM |
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Doug its a compufire system. Brought it off Rod Penrose.
Joel / Kev the beam is as low as it will go. Its one of vollks ones
Kev if you lived a bit closer i would get you up here to help me finish rewiring it.Then i would get motivated again to finish it off.
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| posted on December 21st, 2012 at 07:14 PM |
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do you have the correct shocks on the front??
can you put a better picture of the front end .
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| posted on December 21st, 2012 at 07:42 PM |
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Shocks are bilstein from Richard Holtz. so they should be all good. will throw a few more photos up tomorrow night. Thanks for the help.
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| posted on December 21st, 2012 at 07:48 PM |
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A vw front end is so lite that a gas shock may hold the front up.
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| posted on December 21st, 2012 at 10:15 PM |
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Cheers, ta for that
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| posted on December 21st, 2012 at 10:16 PM |
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Are you sure that balljoint is fully seated? the upper BJ appears to have more thread showing than the lower BJ and as I thought the spindle taper
holes are the same thickness then I woulda thought the BJ would look the same installed.
Plus the boot doesn't look very compressed.
I've seen plenty of UK bugs running similar setup with no problems so bit odd.
Wonder if possible to take a few mm off the BJ taper so it sits higher inside the taper. That's if it's installed properly at present.
Other option is to check around for dimensions from seperate suppliers of the dropped spindles as a few USA places sell them along with Euro and UK
places and pretty sure they aren't all from the same manufacturer.
Suppliers should also have a disclaimer about any special fitment requirements like the CSP wide 5 disc kit that won't fit 14inch steels etc.
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| posted on December 22nd, 2012 at 02:19 PM |
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Joel / Kev the beam is as low as it will go. Its one of vollks ones.
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So that's as low as you can go with the beam right down and dropped spindles??
something isn't right then.
With stock spindles back on that would almost be at stock height
What kind of adjusters do Vollks beams have? sway aways?
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| posted on December 22nd, 2012 at 05:39 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Joel / Kev the beam is as low as it will go. Its one of vollks ones.
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So that's as low as you can go with the beam right down and dropped spindles??
something isn't right then.
With stock spindles back on that would almost be at stock height
What kind of adjusters do Vollks beams have? sway aways?
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Even if they are sways it makes ya wonder where they welded them in respective to the original central grub screw. Mines that low at full height on my
LP beam.
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| posted on December 22nd, 2012 at 06:54 PM |
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just got home and the photos are a bit average. will get better ones tomorrow. the gas shocks could be holding it up a bit , no fueltank in either.
The beam has a toothed curved plate over a welded on toothed plate.
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| posted on December 22nd, 2012 at 07:16 PM |
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Thats Avis adjuster style.
As Psimitar says the position of the welded plate dictates how much travel you can get but that is more with the sway away style over Avis ones, They
can be positioned more for raising rather than lowering.
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| posted on December 22nd, 2012 at 07:19 PM |
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With you saying that is as low as it goes and something Ian touched on, the shocks. I assume that Richard would have know it was lowered as they need
to be a short shock, otherwise the shock will bottom out before the suspension.
This will not effect your lower ball joint issue, sorry. Look at my car, I have stock spindles and my guards are just above the tyres.
Kev
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| posted on December 22nd, 2012 at 07:31 PM |
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looks like i will try my stock spindles and add 40 kg on the front to make up for fuel, fuel tank, spare, Kev your beetle looks like it needs a run in
the country . that would give my motivation a boost aswell
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| posted on December 22nd, 2012 at 10:58 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Thats Avis adjuster style.
As Psimitar says the position of the welded plate dictates how much travel you can get but that is more with the sway away style over Avis ones, They
can be positioned more for raising rather than lowering.
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Avis/puma adjusters just need correct fitment like sways. To go low you cut the grub screw channel downwards in the tubes starting at the original
grub screw hole and that'll easily give you 3-4 inches of torsion arm lowering.
As for that BJ issue try doing a search on Volkszone.com/VZi and the Samba for anyone else having issues with dropped spindles. You'll have much more
chance of finding something compared to Oz just due to number of VW fanatics there.
Also, what brand of spindle is it? CB, CIP1, CSP?
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| posted on December 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 AM |
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heres a few pics of the front beam and a few different angles of the drop spindles
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| posted on December 23rd, 2012 at 10:21 AM |
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this is a couple of pics of the back end
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| posted on December 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 AM |
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take shock off bottom mount and sit / pust dowrn on front.
try a stock VW rIM.
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are those wheels real porsche ?? or copy, maybe thick casting
are they the stocks with the bump stop under the black top sleeve.
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