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| posted on May 19th, 2013 at 04:35 PM |
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beetle air struts
I've got a 75 L bug with the two bolt struts in the front can you get air struts to bolt in so I can get a bit of adjustability in the front for my
driveway as the rear will be quite a bit lower doing a cal look build. The mach 1 golf struts look very similar I'm just not sure. What are
people's thoughts?
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| posted on May 19th, 2013 at 10:41 PM |
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Yes you can get them but I'm pretty sure 'air' anything is illegal in Oz. Check with the NCOP or give a vehicle engineer a call first.
Most the air ride gear comes from USA these days.
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| posted on May 20th, 2013 at 06:11 AM |
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Not illegal its got to be done properly though. In saying that you get the wrong police officer you can get defected for basically anything anyway.
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| posted on May 20th, 2013 at 01:19 PM |
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illegal in qld on everything that isnt commercial & cant drop below 100mm anyway... may as well get coils, the hydraulic coil jacks like on
lamborghinis are an interesting alternative.
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| posted on May 20th, 2013 at 01:45 PM |
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That's constructive... it was a legitimate question. NSW legal with a engineers certificate.
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| posted on May 20th, 2013 at 02:57 PM |
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When I looked into it, I was determined to get some AirLift Performance universal struts and actually make my own.
It meant I'd be able to get the exact height of the front where I wanted it.
In saying that, I had a three bolt strut, which wasn't anything like anything else (damn VW!!!), but the two bolt is very similar to the Golf mk1
struts.
I can't say for certain if they're exactly the same as I've never compared them myself, but from what I have seen in pictures, they look similar
that is for sure.
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| posted on May 20th, 2013 at 03:11 PM |
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Awesome I appreciate your input. Ye the golf ones are real close from photos I've seen.
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| posted on May 20th, 2013 at 04:45 PM |
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The big problem you have is wheel clearance.
Normally struts have the spring or airbag in this case above the tyre where as Superbugs have them beside so the bigger diameter bags interfere with
the wheel.
There are a few bagged Supers on SBO and thesamba but they have to run wide guards with skinny tyres and rims to make it work.
The problem with the 2 bolt Super front end is the tie rods bottom out on the body and the control arms on the droparm before they get that low
anyway.
Most bagged setups use the earlier 3 bolt suspension.
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| posted on May 20th, 2013 at 05:41 PM |
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Yeah, have noticed the above on the Subaru, the actual position of everything is so different downstairs 
Where before I was worrying about the wheel touching the spring, I'm now worrying if it'll touch the strut housing itself.
However, when I was doing my research I opted for a air sleeve type strut, instead of the pillow bag type.
These are what I was going to use.
http://bagriders.com/modlab/products/AIR-LIFT-75568-UNIVERSAL-STRUTS.html
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| posted on May 20th, 2013 at 06:09 PM |
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Ye I thought most pillow bags are about the same width as coils and I'm running standard width tyres but I guess when aired down the bag will bellow
out and the wheel will camber in which might be an issue. Damn it sounded so easy.....so Joel you mentioned the tie rods hit drop arm mine has rack
and pinion steering not a steering box will they still bind up or would I get away with it if I did go down the air suspension route?
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| posted on May 20th, 2013 at 09:22 PM |
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You'd be right with the control arm clearance but your problem is still the tierods.
Once you get down around 4" they are gonna hit on the body.
If you flip them then they hang up on the swaybar.
Can also mess with toe in as the suspension compresses.
Some guy in Holland has come up with extended ball joints to get a few mm more clearance though to stop the tierods hitting the swaybar with them
flipped.
He reckons theres no alignment issues like that.
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| posted on May 20th, 2013 at 10:14 PM |
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As air ride isn't my thing so apologies for the possible poor info but I have seen a fair few Beetles in the UK using an air ride shock on the front
with the pillow bags on the rear.
So it's a normal gas shock with an air bag ontop of it yet same dia as the damper. Well bit thicker than normal I s'pose.
So they are out there but afraid I know not where to look. I hope this may help you a bit in trying to find them tho.
As I said before a bunch of the air ride gear comes from USA and seen it used a fair bit in Fast n'Loud and OverHaulin
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| posted on May 21st, 2013 at 06:35 AM |
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Oh ok Joel so in the mean time if I do a static drop of about 3 inches will I still have the tie rod dramas?
Psimitar I wasn't actually referring to your quote earlier it was a quote aboutlLamborghini jacks that I didn't find to constructive. Air struts are
usually a macpherson strut with a air bag replacing the spring but there are heaps of different styles.
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| posted on May 21st, 2013 at 07:28 AM |
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As long as you still have the rubber bump stops in the struts you should be fine.
You may find the ride a little rough though, stock inserts are just about out of travel by the time they get that low.
Thats why all the adjustable struts use the shorter Mk1 Golf inserts.
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| posted on May 21st, 2013 at 10:06 AM |
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Ye she's got standard bump stops. Its only going to be a weekend car cruise with family so I can deal with a rough ride. You should be able to get
short stroke shock though shouldn't you?
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| posted on May 21st, 2013 at 01:40 PM |
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Yep they are Mk1 Golf inserts but then you need to shorten the strut housing to suit.
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| posted on May 21st, 2013 at 11:15 PM |
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Nah, it's OK. I was meaning my last post as I couldn't remember any supplier names to help you but just the vague facts that they are out there and
so your idea is very possible
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