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posted on April 7th, 2014 at 06:38 PM
Help on what to build???
I have $5000 to build a new motor and not sure where to start?
Im running a 1600 twin port atm and would like to go 2ltr ish.
Ive done a lot of reading of old post and still can't make up my mind?
Any ones help would be great.. Something strong with some grunt!
cheers..
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posted on April 7th, 2014 at 07:25 PM
Strong with grunt, reliable, economical, smooth and bugger all maintenance = "Subaru".....Here endth the lesson!
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posted on April 7th, 2014 at 07:39 PM
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posted on April 7th, 2014 at 09:06 PM
Firstly is the question of whether you wish to stay aircooled and VW or go watercooled?
The Subaru EJ motors are very reliable and give you 130bhp straight off the bat. If you buy an entire donor car you can have the engine, loom and ECU
for around a grand. Breakers will charge you over $2k. radiator is straight forward and is some fairly simple fabrication in the bonnets wheel well.
So can easily be done for under $5k if you can do the work yourself. $5k may cover the cost of a grage doing the work for you.
Staying aircooled. Well the T4 lumps are generally stronger units and come as std in 1.8-2.0L sizing. However, T4 parts are much more expensive than
T1 and there is much debate over the flow capabilities of the T4 cyl heads. Still if you can do most the work yourself then $5k will get you a strong
motor.
T1 costs come down to machining of the case for larger barrels plus full flow oil galleries and 8 dowelling the f/wheel. for really big motor shuffle
pinning the case is a must. A quality brand CW stroker crank will already be 8 dowelled. Then you have the choice of cylinder heads and the cost too.
Heads are expensive. Cams are relatively cheap and must match how you wish to use the motor aswell as the heads and carbs to be used.
then you have carbs that are darned expensive and a python exhaust is a must for best power IMO.
Altogether $5k will net you a reliable 1915cc motor with carbs and exhaust. A good 1915 should see 120bhp easily at the f/wheel
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posted on April 14th, 2014 at 01:21 PM
psimitar with the goods.
My problem here is that you have $5000 for an engine. What about brakes, suspension, gearbox & tires?
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posted on April 14th, 2014 at 05:38 PM
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psimitar with the goods.
My problem here is that you have $5000 for an engine. What about brakes, suspension, gearbox & tires?
But as ADR states you can increase the motor by x amount without any change to the susp/brakes yet if you change the type of motor then the
susp/brakes have to be equal to the vehicle the engine came from.
Been awhile since I read the ADR regarding that due to wanting to do a subie transplant but think I remembered correctly.
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posted on April 15th, 2014 at 06:08 AM
I think you require a disc brake conversion when you put a 1600 into a early car, if it is a late car it will already have it, are you capable of
doing all the work yourself, if not a lot of your budget will be eaten up in labour, will you be using your engine as a donor if you go air cooled,
Subaru is a good conversion but requires a lot of work to do it properly.
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posted on April 15th, 2014 at 05:55 PM
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psimitar with the goods.
My problem here is that you have $5000 for an engine. What about brakes, suspension, gearbox & tires?
Already got disk brakes, steering box, new suspension ready to go in. Will do whilst motor is out.
Gonna stay VW air-cooled and looking at 1915. There was a build on a thread that was what i liked but i can't find it???
A you tube vid of a black bug doin a burn out had the engine build i liked. It was called VW beetle crazy burnout. Anyone know of it?
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There's more to building an engine than just putting the parts together out of the box.
Nothing fits, there's alot of machine work to factor in, balancing etc...
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posted on April 16th, 2014 at 09:44 PM
Not bad value them.
looks like it's time to sit down n list all the parts you want to go into your motor and do the maths.
I wonder what Penrose means by magnesium case? An OEM case that's either brand new or has been crack tested?
Cos I've not heard of a purely magnesium case being produced by anyone and the Orig ones were a magnesium/Ali blend.
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posted on April 16th, 2014 at 10:12 PM
ill let Rod answer that question, SPLAT the 1915cc is a nice size and doable for $5K depending on what's included, you will need to use a lot of good
quality stock parts.
Biggest Question is "What car is the engine going in?
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A you tube vid of a black bug doin a burn out had the engine build i liked. It was called VW beetle crazy burnout. Anyone know of it?
Take your $5k budget and double it.....
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posted on April 16th, 2014 at 11:04 PM
And then another 4k for the Quaif equipped built trans.
The thing is, you want all the ancilleries as well as an engine, carbs, exhaust, oil system, cooling system improvements, tranny mounts tc etc. so in
reality, for 5k you get a stock rebuild. You might find one for 3, a top line stock can go to 7. Starting with nothing, 100rwhp can be had for 6-12
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posted on April 17th, 2014 at 08:16 PM
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And then another 4k for the Quaif equipped built trans.
The thing is, you want all the ancilleries as well as an engine, carbs, exhaust, oil system, cooling system improvements, tranny mounts tc etc. so in
reality, for 5k you get a stock rebuild. You might find one for 3, a top line stock can go to 7. Starting with nothing, 100rwhp can be had for 6-12
depending on quality of build and parts.
Ah but Matt. How much would it be if you could build it yourself? And had all the parts and machined bits ready to go?
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posted on April 18th, 2014 at 12:15 AM
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Ah but Matt. How much would it be if you could build it yourself? And had all the parts and machined bits ready to go?
Ahh, a trick question. Nothing.
Do it yourself and you got all the parts ready to go.
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Ah but Matt. How much would it be if you could build it yourself? And had all the parts and machined bits ready to go?
Ahh, a trick question. Nothing.
Do it yourself and you got all the parts ready to go.
I remember doing a recon on my 1200 cost about a $800 in parts and machining and the only machining required was the crank @ $140 and flywheel. then
re-con heads $450, new rings and gasket set.
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posted on April 22nd, 2014 at 06:08 AM
Hey man, I have had a few 1915's built by a shop in bris for around $3800.
I supply a crank, rods, heads, rockers, flywheel,case and they do all the machining, balancing and blue printing and assembly of a long motor.
My last engine was a 1915, c35 cam, vw heads with port work, 40/35 valves, twin 40idfs and was very fun to drive.
In a baja with big tyres i did a 15.0 qrtr.
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posted on April 24th, 2014 at 10:42 PM
That would be the going rate for a well built engine. Do they provide the blue printing measurements with every engine?
