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 AndyL
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| posted on March 2nd, 2003 at 09:11 AM |
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Lowering A Splitty
Pardon my ignorance but how do you get a splitty to sit a little lower. I'm not talking down in the weeds but just an inch or two down to get rid
of that Commercial look. My splitty is a 66 with reduction box rear end. Any help would be appreciated.:o
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| posted on March 2nd, 2003 at 09:25 AM |
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hi havent done yet but looking into depends on how much you want to spend and if you want to change the reduction hubs but the front is easyer with
droped spindles check out split bus australia,site am interested to see what posts you get
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| posted on March 2nd, 2003 at 12:18 PM |
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Checkout indian automotives website. They are Kombi specialists.
For the front you can either have adjusters welded in or dropped spindles/or both.
The rear you can reset the torsion bar or get an IRS kit....
All depends on $$$
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| posted on March 2nd, 2003 at 03:53 PM |
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contact rob king aka splitcusaustralia from this forum about dropped splindles only way to go (bout $500 on exchange basis) we as the adjusters with
all work involved costs around 400 anyway and nopt as good ride as dropeed spindles (adjuasters give u bout 9 inch drop,dropped spindles give u
3" drop) and with the rear its just a matter of pulling off the spring plates and adjusting them 1-2 splines?!!
cheers
rhys
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zny of you guys done any of this yet to see what ride is the best? dropped spindles or 68 front beam? cheers, fish:bounce:bounce:bounce:puke
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| posted on April 19th, 2003 at 03:30 PM |
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low ridda!
I have converted & ridden in splittys done both ways & I can only say that is drop spindles are good but balljoints are better! The spindles
go lower (with adjusters) but balljoints (with adjusters) with disc's make for a better road car!
I have also some experience with straight axle & IRS rears in splittys...Again no contest IRS all the way! Of course all these change make it
harder to run 205 PSD rims...Can be done but is a pain. The 112PSD has far more wheel options to choose from...MERC, AUDI, Late PASSAT...Even original
late Kombi!
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now this is the advice i;m looking for. cheers, fish
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| posted on April 20th, 2003 at 05:08 AM |
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this is the bus i want to lower. cheers, fish
[Edited on 19-4-2003 by fish]
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| posted on April 20th, 2003 at 08:30 PM |
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I have done it! both the front and the rear. The rear is easy once you have the axles and or hubs removed, to lower the bus 3mm in the rear you
rotate the inner spline on the rear torsion bar anti clock one spline and the outer spline or springplate end clockwise one spline each time you do
this you will achieve a 3mm drop, do it ten times =30mm as for the front I had a new beam with adjusters and dropped spindles installed but this was
too low for me so i have taken the spindles off and i have lowered the front with the adjusters about 60 mm which suits my use just fine. it is a bit
harder a ride but shorter shocks will probably alleviate this, I have noticed the steering is a little heavier too but this actually feels
better.......the spindles are a better ride but be careful 75 -80mm is a lot of travel to lose tyre rub is not fun and the best surf spots have mean
roads................
PS i have retained the king link pin front but have IRS installed and i am running wide 5 rims
[Edited on 20-4-2003 by silver]
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| posted on April 20th, 2003 at 09:09 PM |
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Slammed bus
This is the drop spindled, straigh axle one...
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| posted on April 20th, 2003 at 09:11 PM |
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Slammed bus too!
This ones IRS & Ball joint
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so which one drives and rides the best? simon? the steering on my bus is a bit erratic at the moment. putting dropped spindles in it, will that help
or hinder my drive. i only want to lower it to the Qld legal height of a coke can off the ground. cheers, fish.:bounce:bounce
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| posted on April 21st, 2003 at 08:08 PM |
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lowering a ball joint front end puts a shitload of pressure on the balljoints and causes excessive wear!!! where as king link pin front end with just
dropped spindles 3 inches a\can be achieved the advantage of this is a much smoother ride then a adjuster/ball joint because dropped spindles retain
the FULL standard suspension travel!!!
but if ur into throwing your bus around and hold to the road then IRS rear is for you other wise if u just want to get rid of the reduction box's
go straight axle conversion using a 1500/1600 type 3 box (it automatically drops ur bus anywhere of 5 inches!!!)
cheers
rhys
p.s. my opion- IRS rear and maybe Ball joint front end with ball joint dropped spindles???
it aint just cool its aircool'd
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| posted on April 21st, 2003 at 11:33 PM |
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Which way?
Fish...
IRS with a Ball Joint front end is what your after.
KK....Have you ever actually looked at a lowered bus BJ front end? I have...An I haven't seen any unusual wear in the BJ's. Infact with the
green & white deluxe in the above image, the "ball" is pretty close to centred in the "joint"! As for smoother ride with a LP
front end with drop spindles....Bullshite! The torsion leaves in the LP front are much harsher than the leaves found in a bay. If you want to
'soften' the ride a little you could always remove the 2 smallest leaves from each stack (I wouldn't recommend this!!!).
Drop spindles for a BJ bus!!!!
Only one comany that I know of has actually done this and the method used to create them is to "cut'n'shut" 4 spindle sets with an
offset to lower the car. The problems with this are...
1. You widen your track by 30mm per side!
2. You potentially weaken you front suspension.
3. And you are drive a heavy car...Would you really want flat 'butt' welds holding your front end together????
Straight axle set-up are cheap & easy to do, but you end up with a car with very little ground clearance and doesn't handle real well unless
you put low profile tyres on the car. Which of course will effect your gearing greatly! Have al look at the matt black bus in the ubove image....That
rear bumper is maybe 4" off the ground. To get the look right with this car, Antony has the front very low (ie: steering box is about 40mm off
the ground!!!). Don't get me wrong.... I love Antony's bus, She rides sweet, goes hard and may soon be travelling across Australia! But
Marks 15 window is a far superior car to drive in every way. He drove it to Sydney for that Nationals last year. Did about 8000kms round trip!
I know which car I would rather do it in....Don't you?
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 05:09 AM |
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Thanks guys. well it looks like it's an IRS and ball joint front end. Now where to get these? the ball joint front end... off a 1968-69 bus
maybe? and the rear IRS? straight off the same bus or an aftermarket job !!!! i'm confused. cheers, fish.
[Edited on 21-4-2003 by fish]
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 10:05 AM |
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seems only two places do these bay front end conversions
there were two companies with stands at the nationals doing this conversion and if the presentation of there stands is anything to go by i know where
i would go to
david:o:o
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 10:13 AM |
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I have an IRS rear end, lots of welding for that. and I have a ball joint front end with an adjuster. I would like to get some dropped spindles to put
on and get a little of my suspention travel back. Who in Australia makes cast dropped spindles for a ball joint front end?:bounce
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 11:11 AM |
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Custom Bugs and Buses 
Kruizin Kol
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 01:49 PM |
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hey humpty
im just going off what other people have said i myself have never riden in any bus except for my 72 panel which has only ben up and down the
backyard!!!! so u have set me straight!!!
fish i recommend u try indian automotive for one of there IRS kits as no welding is required and it can be pulled out and turned back to original or u
could just pull a kit out of a later IRS bus a gearbox out of a either L bug (better final drive) type 3 IRS or a Superbug(i think)
indian also have 68 BJ beams with adjusters for around $500 (which is fairly good!)
but check all the info about there products on there site!
cheers
rhys
and yes CBB have BJ dropped spindles and rob king aka Splitbusaustralia have king/link pin dropped spindles
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 02:05 PM |
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Lowering at Indian
Indian had an offer at the Nationals for a drive in and drive out lowering solution for $200.00. I think that the fully adjustables ones are about
$800, and Custom Bugs are a bit more than that.
I've had Indian's in for a while with no dramas at all. Check out http://www.kruizinwagon.com.au
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 02:35 PM |
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Just back from OS - still spewin about missing the Nationals! Did pick up a few barney bits tho.....
Re lowering. Lotsa people have different opinions. Price is always a driver of course.
I personally think the 68 beam into a split lowered on adjusters is pretty harsh (I've driven LOTS of lowered busses in the US) and wouldn't
do this myself (you have to drop em 6 inches plus to actual lower them below stock height). Other people (Humpty, Kimm at Indian) seem to think
they're OK. I note with interest the reply above from someone with this setup wanting 'more travel' though........
I also personally wouldn't go pulling any of
the torsion leaves out of the front end. It 'softens' and 'lowers' but then the remaining leaves break which is annoying at best,
dangerous at worst.
Thus at this time I am personally a dropped spindle on a link pin front end man (firstly). I would add adjusters if I wanted lower or some adjustment
but I wouldn't lower more than another 3 inches on them...
Best solution (theoretically - haven't driven this) would be a 68
(ball joint) beam with dropped spindles and adjusters. Get discs etc etc. However, dropped spindles (cut and welded) for bus ball joint front ends
are just starting to appear in the US now! Are you sure CBB is offering dropped spindles for ball joint front ends? If so, how are they making em?
Must be cut and welded?
My advice is to try and drive each alternative and make your decision. Drive a stock split bus with a DECENT link pin front end - its actually pretty
good!. Drive one lowered 6 inches plus on adjusters (plus 'stiffeners' if that's the secret), drive one with dropped spindles - look
at relative costs and make up your own mind.
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Quote: I note with interest the reply above from someone with this setup wanting 'more travel' though........
You emailed me today about dropped spindles.
Yes I need more travel as my shock absorbers bottom out on large dips and bumps in the road, I have been told that I can put beetle shockies on but
what will hit next, my ball joints dont look too happy at the moment ether:puke
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 08:26 PM |
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Get a load of this!:puke
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 08:51 PM |
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hey 59 bus
u might want to try using a holden 1 tonner shock and make up a bracket to mount it to the top shock(they have wishbone front end so u need to remove
that part so it can be fitted to the bottom) and make up a braket out of 50 x 50mm RHS
well that works for me!!! and i get shocks
cheer
srhys
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 09:46 PM |
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I would just like some dropped spindles, then I can raise the beam and flatten out that ball joint!:puke
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 11:45 PM |
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Last time I heard (2nd hand info), BJ dropped spindles were $650 at Indian Automotive.
Kruizin Kol
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| posted on April 22nd, 2003 at 11:56 PM |
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$600 at custom bugs and buses
i have been doing a bit of research on this lately for my bus and the best options i have come up with are dropped spindles (probably off rob k) and
a straight axle conversion ,this is the most economical method ,the way i am going is bay front end (disc brakes,ball joints) narrowed with dropped
spindles and irs rear end with disc brakes (not cheap) but it is the best way and yopu will stop on a dime it,s around $4500 grand but what the hell
its only money and i,m using custom bugs and buses in sydney but thats just me
david:o:o
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David. Are you taking your bus up to CBB and getting them to fit the gear? surely its not $4500 to do it yourself ? cheers , fish
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 08:07 AM |
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Rob K doesn't do dropped spindles for a ball joint front beam. Indian Automotive don't do them either. The only place I can find is CBB and
they want $770 for mine in exchange.:bounce
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| posted on April 23rd, 2003 at 09:36 AM |
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X-ray
Spoke to Mike @ CBB_ $770 for bay drop spindles extra $700 for x-ray.Increases track by 10mm each side...narrowed beam$ or inset wheel$. Made 12 sets
in the last 18 months...To drop or not to drop that is the question:beer
Vinnie
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